Billy Jones leaves
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It makes sense to move a player on who is not currently first or second choice in his favoured position, especially if the money can be used for cover elsewhere.
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Yates is digging his own grave at the moment - if the results don't improve dramatically in the next few weeks, he is going to have to explain why he chose to freeze out, alienate and move on players that have shown that they can do a job for us. If things improve then he deserves credit, but this seems a lot like January, when Bennett and Duffy were moved on\frozen out and we tailed off into play-off failure again.
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Yates is digging his own grave at the moment - if the results don't improve dramatically in the next few weeks, he is going to have to explain why he chose to freeze out, alienate and move on players that have shown that they can do a job for us. If things improve then he deserves credit, but this seems a lot like January, when Bennett and Duffy were moved on\frozen out and we tailed off into play-off failure again.
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What a joke.
Lowe Innis Sido the back three tomorrow?
Edit: I think it's a disgrace.
Lowe Innis Sido the back three tomorrow?
Edit: I think it's a disgrace.
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who?Robin wrote:Please see my post this morning, Jones leaving and a new defender coming, may even get two players.
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not rocket science that if you get rid of one of two left backs you need a replacement.Robin wrote:I wasn't given a name to be honest but was told BJ will go and a new defender will come in. Possible we may also get one other too.
Just hope it's someone just as good as Jones.
not surprised after Easter he was getting skinned for fun by pacey wingers. Targetted by other clubs.
Having said that he seldom got the support from Mo that was required
Also he was filling in the slot released by Garbutt - where is he now
Jones took excellent corners and free kicks but I always thought with his free kicks he should have been going at goal himself
Having him taking all the corners on the right meant that we were not set up properly to defend and lost a few goals as a result
I am slightly concerned that we have to pay a player off 1 month into the season but if Yates was never going to play him then fair enough. Slightly different with 3 months to go but not sure about 9 or 10 months to go
Perhaps we will get another Garbutt in and then it will have been a good thing
2 more points
1 Can we not train someone to take decent free kicks or corners
2 Can JP get an exclusive with BJ to find out the problem
Just hope it does not come back to bite us
Having said that he seldom got the support from Mo that was required
Also he was filling in the slot released by Garbutt - where is he now
Jones took excellent corners and free kicks but I always thought with his free kicks he should have been going at goal himself
Having him taking all the corners on the right meant that we were not set up properly to defend and lost a few goals as a result
I am slightly concerned that we have to pay a player off 1 month into the season but if Yates was never going to play him then fair enough. Slightly different with 3 months to go but not sure about 9 or 10 months to go
Perhaps we will get another Garbutt in and then it will have been a good thing
2 more points
1 Can we not train someone to take decent free kicks or corners
2 Can JP get an exclusive with BJ to find out the problem
Just hope it does not come back to bite us
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James Brown has tweeted incoming transfer news soon........
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can he play left back?THECHOIRBOY wrote:David Noble midfielder is the man ...
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Hmmm. Decent player, but past his best. Another Carter?
Very annoyed by this, I think Billy has been very harshly treated.
No he wasn't the quickest, but it's very easy to forget that he was an important part of our best defence in years last season. I hope he finds another League club, he certainly deserves to.
No he wasn't the quickest, but it's very easy to forget that he was an important part of our best defence in years last season. I hope he finds another League club, he certainly deserves to.
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As a free agent and a big cheque in the bank, I doubt he is in any rush.Si Robin wrote:Very annoyed by this, I think Billy has been very harshly treated.
No he wasn't the quickest, but it's very easy to forget that he was an important part of our best defence in years last season. I hope he finds another League club, he certainly deserves to.
Nesty wrote:how much longer is Paul Baker going to keep bankrolling his managers mistakes?
Well thats a fair portion of the West Ham money chucked down the drain 10 months of a twelve month contract wont be peanuts
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I think that is unfair - if you ask any Chairman of any club, their managers have signed players who turn out to be mistakes. I think of Alex Ferguson and Harry Redknapp- Djemba Djemba and Jose Bosingwa. I sure that many more could be named.Nesty wrote:how much longer is Paul Baker going to keep bankrolling his managers mistakes?
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£50 million on Torres.Red Duke wrote:I think that is unfair - if you ask any Chairman of any club, their managers have signed players who turn out to be mistakes. I think of Alex Ferguson and Harry Redknapp- Djemba Djemba and Jose Bosingwa. I sure that many more could be named.Nesty wrote:how much longer is Paul Baker going to keep bankrolling his managers mistakes?
CV is giving Yates the Allen treatment and it's unpleasant to see.
RegencyCheltenhamSpa wrote:£50 million on Torres.Red Duke wrote:I think that is unfair - if you ask any Chairman of any club, their managers have signed players who turn out to be mistakes. I think of Alex Ferguson and Harry Redknapp- Djemba Djemba and Jose Bosingwa. I sure that many more could be named.Nesty wrote:how much longer is Paul Baker going to keep bankrolling his managers mistakes?
CV is giving Yates the Allen treatment and it's unpleasant to see.
So you think its a good deal then? fair enough l would have prefered the money spent on a player
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No. I have stated several times that Jones was my preferred first choice left back this season. I even said it was a disgrace to get rid of him.C.V wrote:
So you think its a good deal then? fair enough l would have prefered the money spent on a player
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When he first arrived, I was very sceptical of the signing, but this is a disgrace. He did not deserve the treatment he has received. Yates is starting to annoy me.
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Not like you HP to brand words like 'disgrace' around lightly.Hubert Parry wrote:When he first arrived, I was very sceptical of the signing, but this is a disgrace. He did not deserve the treatment he has received. Yates is starting to annoy me.
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I would probably like to tone it down, but this is becoming all too common an occurrence. Techniques like the hairdryer treatment and freezing players out are archaic. Yates deserves some patience however.
Am I missing something here? Is this fundamentally different to the treatment Danny Andrew received, and I don't remember the same amount of faux "outrage" that i've seen here and on twitter. All this stuff about how he was "treated". Come on. This happens all the time in football. It's not a pleasant business, people aren't treated "well". Especially managers that let sentiment get the better of them. I'm not saying it's right, but to suddenly start being angry at a player being paid-off and let go seems a bit odd.
Are we really under the impression that the poor start to this season is down to the left back spot? Would we be top of the league if Billy Jones was a regular again? I don't think so. I'm not so sure we'd be much better off, as most of the problems seemed to be further up the pitch and down the right side.
Just ask yourself, of the players Yates has let go over the years, who proved his judgement wrong?
Are we really under the impression that the poor start to this season is down to the left back spot? Would we be top of the league if Billy Jones was a regular again? I don't think so. I'm not so sure we'd be much better off, as most of the problems seemed to be further up the pitch and down the right side.
Just ask yourself, of the players Yates has let go over the years, who proved his judgement wrong?
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Andrew was replaced with better, though I thought the abuse he got on here was out of order.Laurence wrote:Am I missing something here? Is this fundamentally different to the treatment Danny Andrew received, and I don't remember the same amount of faux "outrage" that i've seen here and on twitter. All this stuff about how he was "treated". Come on. This happens all the time in football. It's not a pleasant business, people aren't treated "well". Especially managers that let sentiment get the better of them. I'm not saying it's right, but to suddenly start being angry at a player being paid-off and let go seems a bit odd.
Are we really under the impression that the poor start to this season is down to the left back spot? Would we be top of the league if Billy Jones was a regular again? I don't think so. I'm not so sure we'd be much better off, as most of the problems seemed to be further up the pitch and down the right side.
Just ask yourself, of the players Yates has let go over the years, who proved his judgement wrong?
Jones, our leading assister was replaced with someone who never even played a League game before at a fair age.
We may have had a goal or two more had he played - who knows.
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Not today. No one else in until the loan window opens at least.Uppy wrote:Stupid timing with CBB injured. I hope he has a replacement lined up.