fans tonight

[VintagePear]

Well done Vincent!

"Never called him a c-nt.... so dropped the big c" - make your mind up.

It's the fans choice what they say and do. If you don't like you can take your prawn sandwiches elsewhere.

1. I'm about halfway between 'prawn sandwich' and calling people a c**t - there are more than two options.

2. So if I want to stab you in the thigh at a game I'm allowed, just because I paid entry money?

It's easy to pick something very extreme.

Just because YOU don't like it doesn't mean you have to have a tiff about it and force it. This goes for anything not just swearing/fighting. Fans can do what they want. Free country (would you believe)

[VintagePear]

Well done Vincent!

"Never called him a c-nt.... so dropped the big c" - make your mind up.

It's the fans choice what they say and do. If you don't like you can take your prawn sandwiches elsewhere.

above .... The Diary of Adrian Mole aged 2 and a half LOL. ABS is just sooooo full of the prawn brigade Some comments need no answer as they say it all themselves. And yours is one of them. At least Roy had a point at Old Trafford you have ........... errrrrrr ....... nothing

That's a good one

[Ralph]

I was sat right behind where Vincent was at the time, in block 2. I heard someone from block 1 shout something like "Vincent, you're f***ing s***", followed by "f*** off you c***". At which point he turned round looking p'd off. I didn't see or hear Vincent shout anything back.

Shouting that kind of abuse IS NOT OK whether you pay £5 to get in or £500.

assuming ctfcshire has a job and isn't sat at a desk at school right now.. perhaps he should let us know where he works so we can ask his boss and all his workmates to abuse him like he did Ash.. i mean its ok to do, ctfcshire said so... its all part of the job.

[ctfcshire]

Just finished my lovely packed lunch now onto double maths to finish a brilliant day.

I profoundly apologise for my disgusting behaviour and insist it will not happen again.

[RegencyCheltenhamSpa]

It's easy to pick something very extreme.

Just because YOU don't like it doesn't mean you have to have a tiff about it and force it. This goes for anything not just swearing/fighting. Fans can do what they want. Free country (would you believe)

Are you genuinely saying if a fan comes to a game and wants to commit murder, rape and arson inside the stadium then they should be allowed to with impunity as it is a free country?

It's not a matter of me liking it or not, it's a case of a human being showing capacity to abide by laws.

[ctfcshire]

Haha typical response on here. If you want to have a go at a player fine if not then don't just don't keep moaning about it.

[baggy89]

I was sat right behind where Vincent was at the time, in block 2. I heard someone from block 1 shout something like "Vincent, you're f***ing s***", followed by "f*** off you c***". At which point he turned round looking p'd off. I didn't see or hear Vincent shout anything back.

Shouting that kind of abuse IS NOT OK whether you pay £5 to get in or £500.

This is my recollection also.

Looked round once with a "Did I really just hear that" look, then turned round again just to check if the person who shouted it was really THAT ugly. No movement of his lips, at all.

It's not as if the cross was particularly poor, just a lucky block in a 2 on 1 situation. Came off the defenders back if I remember correctly.

[ctfcshire]

I was sat right behind where Vincent was at the time, in block 2. I heard someone from block 1 shout something like "Vincent, you're f***ing s***", followed by "f*** off you c***". At which point he turned round looking p'd off. I didn't see or hear Vincent shout anything back.

Shouting that kind of abuse IS NOT OK whether you pay £5 to get in or £500.

Looked round once with a "Did I really just hear that" look, then turned round again just to check if the person who shouted it was really THAT ugly. No movement of his lips, at all.

Haha I'm not biting mate so you'll have to try harder.

[Daveangel]

I've never understood the "I've paid my money so I'll shout abuse at players if they make a mistake" argument. Surely you want the players to play well and the team to win? Do you really think a "volley of abuse" would make a player buck his ideas up, or annoy him, and heap more pressure on him, leading to more mistakes? I know I'd be thinking "if you are qualified to offer me advice, why the f*** are you sat up there and I'm down here!
If you really want to have a positive impact from the stand, I'd have thought the one time when cries of support and encouragement would have the biggest effect is when things aren't going quite to plan. If you can't help yourself abusing your own players when they mess up, I'd have thought the most positive thing you could do for your club would be to stop at home. Especially on a school night.

[confused.com]

I've never understood the "I've paid my money so I'll shout abuse at players if they make a mistake" argument. Surely you want the players to play well and the team to win? Do you really think a "volley of abuse" would make a player buck his ideas up, or annoy him, and heap more pressure on him, leading to more mistakes? I know I'd be thinking "if you are qualified to offer me advice, why the f*** are you sat up there and I'm down here!
If you really want to have a positive impact from the stand, I'd have thought the one time when cries of support and encouragement would have the biggest effect is when things aren't going quite to plan. If you can't help yourself abusing your own players when they mess up, I'd have thought the most positive thing you could do for your club would be to stop at home. Especially on a school night.

You make the mistake of attempting to apply logic to the ramblings of the village idiot

[baggy89]

wasn't fishing although it appears I got a bite.

[VintagePear]

This is now turned into a s#!t thread. Standard oldies. Standard moaning. Standard nest.

*Kill the thread*

[Daveangel]

I've never understood the "I've paid my money so I'll shout abuse at players if they make a mistake" argument. Surely you want the players to play well and the team to win? Do you really think a "volley of abuse" would make a player buck his ideas up, or annoy him, and heap more pressure on him, leading to more mistakes? I know I'd be thinking "if you are qualified to offer me advice, why the f*** are you sat up there and I'm down here!
If you really want to have a positive impact from the stand, I'd have thought the one time when cries of support and encouragement would have the biggest effect is when things aren't going quite to plan. If you can't help yourself abusing your own players when they mess up, I'd have thought the most positive thing you could do for your club would be to stop at home. Especially on a school night.

You make the mistake of attempting to apply logic to the ramblings of the village idiot

Good point well put. Apologies.

[Reliant Robin]

Abusing anyone with foul & obscene language (or equivalent gestures) is completely unacceptable. The stewards should throw offenders out of the ground and a ban of some length should be sought.

At West Ham I was aware of their stewards clamping down on the middle finger salute. And no, it wasn't me.

[Robin]

Abusing anyone with foul & obscene language (or equivalent gestures) is completely unacceptable. The stewards should throw offenders out of the ground and a ban of some length should be sought.

At West Ham I was aware of their stewards clamping down on the middle finger salute. And no, it wasn't me.

Then there would be about ten fans watching the game

[51/84]

Abusing anyone with foul & obscene language (or equivalent gestures) is completely unacceptable. The stewards should throw offenders out of the ground and a ban of some length should be sought.

At West Ham I was aware of their stewards clamping down on the middle finger salute. And no, it wasn't me.

Then there would be about ten fans watching the game

and every one else watching everyone else

[taxidave]

Abusing anyone with foul & obscene language (or equivalent gestures) is completely unacceptable. The stewards should throw offenders out of the ground and a ban of some length should be sought.
At West Ham I was aware of their stewards clamping down on the middle finger salute. And no, it wasn't me.

There were rumours on another thread that you were possibly Baker in disguise and with posts like that I think there may be some truth in it.

[little mo]

At Chesterfield my son was there with his 7 year old, and had to move away from the main group of Chelt fans, because the fan next to them was constantly screaming the F word and C word. Stewards did nothing even though they could clearly hear it. Some of our "fans" were even falling out amongst each other on Saturday at Bury.

[taxidave]

At Chesterfield my son was there with his 7 year old, and had to move away from the main group of Chelt fans, because the fan next to them was constantly screaming the F word and C word. Stewards did nothing even though they could clearly hear it. Some of our "fans" were even falling out amongst each other on Saturday at Bury.

Perhaps the stewards realised it is a man's game played by men and watched by men and men use those words.
I believe some of our players were falling out with each other so it is no surprise the fans were doing likewise.

[vcinthestand]

Dave things are changing
There will soon be a swearing section like the family section and the singing section.
Sorry I forgot its the LMI

Families with children can sit where they want at WR so its a family friendl;y club , but not may children trave away to a routine league match.
I am sure PB will take sanctions - ban the travel club

[Si Robin]

At home games there is the Family Stand, so I have little sympathy for those who don't want their kids to be around that sort of language if they choose to go in the LMI.

However, as a parent with a 7 year old (well, 7 next week) I don't think it's too much to expect people to be mindful of those around them at away games. Yes, it is a man's game watched mainly by men, but I certainly wouldn't like my lad picking up that sort of language and thinking he can talk to his mates like it. I'm no saint, and am very much guilty of effing and jeffing in my daily life, but I sometimes wonder if people only go to the football because they think there's no need to watch what they say and they can be obscene to their hearts content.

Just because you've paid the money does not give anyone the right to call a player all the names under the sun. By all means criticise their play or lack of effort, but their is no need for personal abuse. If someone abuses me at work whilst I'm discussing their claim I terminate the call, if a footballer is abused in the way that has been suggested on here (I wasn't there, I won't comment on what did or didn't happen) then I believe he has every right to walk off the pitch.

[taxidave]

Just because you've paid the money does not give anyone the right to call a player all the names under the sun. By all means criticise their play or lack of effort, but their is no need for personal abuse. If someone abuses me at work whilst I'm discussing their claim I terminate the call, if a footballer is abused in the way that has been suggested on here (I wasn't there, I won't comment on what did or didn't happen) then I believe he has every right to walk off the pitch.

So Simon taking your argument to its logical conclusion, I assume we will see most goalkeepers walking off because they are "sh1t" and all refs doing likewise because they are "w@nkers".

[little mo]

At Chesterfield my son was there with his 7 year old, and had to move away from the main group of Chelt fans, because the fan next to them was constantly screaming the F word and C word. Stewards did nothing even though they could clearly hear it. Some of our "fans" were even falling out amongst each other on Saturday at Bury.

Perhaps the stewards realised it is a man's game played by men and watched by men and men use those words.
I believe some of our players were falling out with each other so it is no surprise the fans were doing likewise.[/quo

If you think that behaviour in public is ok, then fine. I don't happen to think that it is. The bad language was a constant stream, not just once or twice.

[Si Robin]

Just because you've paid the money does not give anyone the right to call a player all the names under the sun. By all means criticise their play or lack of effort, but their is no need for personal abuse. If someone abuses me at work whilst I'm discussing their claim I terminate the call, if a footballer is abused in the way that has been suggested on here (I wasn't there, I won't comment on what did or didn't happen) then I believe he has every right to walk off the pitch.

So Simon taking your argument to its logical conclusion, I assume we will see most goalkeepers walking off because they are "sh1t" and all refs doing likewise because they are "w@nkers".

I didn't say they will be I said I believe they have every right to. The fact they don't says more about them than it does those who chant it.

When you were a taxi driver Dave, if someone got into your taxi and started verbally abusing you would you have sat there taking it or refuse to go any further and kicked the eejit out of the car? They are afterall paying for the service.

[taxidave]

If you think that behaviour in public is ok, then fine. I don't happen to think that it is. The bad language was a constant stream, not just once or twice.

If you were that concerned with it why didn't you complain to the stewards, it is no good coming on this forum and moaning about it 3 weeks later.

[taxidave]

When you were a taxi driver Dave, if someone got into your taxi and started verbally abusing you would you have sat there taking it or refuse to go any further and kicked the eejit out of the car? They are after all paying for the service.

If you stop and kick them out they aren't going to pay you, so put up with it and then overcharge them was always my philosophy.
That is why I am a rich man and you aren't.

[Si Robin]

Touché David

[vcinthestand]

Is there still a family stand, I understood it had been done away with with families able to sit anywhere
The OS site says
Main Stand - Blocks A, B& C.
Covered Seating
Access gained via the main car park
Block C is an ideal family area for parents and children.

So there is no family area

[little mo]

If you were that concerned with it why didn't you complain to the stewards, it is no good coming on this forum and moaning about it 3 weeks later.

Dave, I thought the thread was about our fans and had progressed to the use of bad language by said fans. All I was doing, was saying how bad it can be, not moaning about it on here as you say. If as you say you have no objection to bad language, then I am sure you wont mind if I say. Before you accuse someone of moaning you need to take a long hard look in the f#!$ mirror.

[taxidave]

Is there still a family stand, I understood it had been done away with with families able to sit anywhere
The OS site says
Main Stand - Blocks A, B& C.
Covered Seating
Access gained via the main car park
Block C is an ideal family area for parents and children.

So there is no family area

I believe that some time ago it was cheaper for families to sit in that section but now that kids go free there is no point in making that a specialised area, but I think that a lot of families do still sit there.
I am sure Simon will put us straight on this.

[taxidave]

If you were that concerned with it why didn't you complain to the stewards, it is no good coming on this forum and moaning about it 3 weeks later.

Dave, I thought the thread was about our fans and had progressed to the use of bad language by said fans. All I was doing, was saying how bad it can be, not moaning about it on here as you say. If as you say you have no objection to bad language, then I am sure you wont mind if I say. Before you accuse someone of moaning you need to take a long hard look in the f#!$ mirror.

But you still haven't explained why you didn't complain at the time if you were so upset by the language.
I can assure you that if someone near me in the ground was creating problems and preventing me from enjoying the game I would very soon report it to the nearest steward.

[little mo]

If you were that concerned with it why didn't you complain to the stewards, it is no good coming on this forum and moaning about it 3 weeks later.

Dave, I thought the thread was about our fans and had progressed to the use of bad language by said fans. All I was doing, was saying how bad it can be, not moaning about it on here as you say. If as you say you have no objection to bad language, then I am sure you wont mind if I say. Before you accuse someone of moaning you need to take a long hard look in the f#!$ mirror.

But you still haven't explained why you didn't complain at the time if you were so upset by the language.
I can assure you that if someone near me in the ground was creating problems and preventing me from enjoying the game I would very soon report it to the nearest steward.

My point is , the stewards could clearly see and hear what was happening, but did nothing.

[taxidave]

My point is , the stewards could clearly see and hear what was happening, but did nothing.

Even more reason why you should have taken it up with them and then they would have had to take some action.
As I said previously it is no good coming on here three weeks later and complaining if you couldn't be bothered to do anything about it at the time.
If it wasn't bad enough to complain about at the time it couldn't really have concerned you that much.

[Si Robin]

Is there still a family stand, I understood it had been done away with with families able to sit anywhere
The OS site says
Main Stand - Blocks A, B& C.
Covered Seating
Access gained via the main car park
Block C is an ideal family area for parents and children.

So there is no family area

I believe that some time ago it was cheaper for families to sit in that section but now that kids go free there is no point in making that a specialised area, but I think that a lot of families do still sit there.
I am sure Simon will put us straight on this.

You are right Dave, whilst it is no longer known as the Family Stand it is still the recommended place for families to sit.

[decanted88]

I started the thread and titled it "fans tonight" maybe i should have chosen a better title as on a whole our fans are fine. I was just a bit shocked and annoyed that someone had thought it was appropiate to direct vile abuse at one of our players that we are supposed to be encouraging. I was hoping that people may have had a think and we could have used the thread to move on and back our players in coming matches when we clearly need to. I hope on Saturday we can all get the ground going and encourage with positive chants rather than directing abuse at a player that does not deserve it and is not at fault for poor results. Lets put this thread to an end, get behind the lads and put an end to a dissapointing start to the season and start marching up the table!