Yates turns down new contract offer

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The Board are the fools and it is not funny.
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poor attempt nesty
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Had my hopes up there too:-(
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Yatesy may not be the sharpest tool in the box,but he's not that bloody silly!
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s#!t thought the club had a future looks like another two years of brick walls,early contract pay offs for the ones who upset him and more dross then.
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Yeah the club definitely has no future with the man who saved us from the brink of administration and took us to the play-offs twice and has had one bad season!!!!!!!!!!!
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So you're admitting he's had a bad season. Well I suppose that's a start.
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Jebolani wrote:Yeah the club definitely has no future with the man who saved us from the brink of administration and took us to the play-offs twice and has had one bad season!!!!!!!!!!!
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Alf wrote:So you're admitting he's had a bad season. Well I suppose that's a start.
I don't think anyone denies it's been a bad season.
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RegencyCheltenhamSpa wrote:
Alf wrote:So you're admitting he's had a bad season. Well I suppose that's a start.
I don't think anyone denies it's been a bad season.

No but we are repeatedly told we have a mid table budget so should expect to be where we are.God forbid in the season after next when the money runs out should we all expect relagation.......... what a bright future we have in store.
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Do you know what will help the budget.....walking away.
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Si Robin wrote:Do you know what will help the budget.....walking away.
Answer is do something about it .It's not just me the gates are down by hundreds.Do the club want this to continue or are they brave enough to bite the bullet and do something about it.Its there money thats going down the drain and not mine anymore.
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Nobody has still yet to provide any statistics that our attendances are down by hundreds or "plummeting".
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Joey wrote:Nobody has still yet to provide any statistics that our attendances are down by hundreds or "plummeting".
2011-12 Play-off season: Average attendance of 3,015

Current season: Average attendance of 2,995

So we have "plummeted" by 20 fans since our best season in the last five years.

Looking at Yates' first full season, that was 2,980 - so we are higher than that still.

I would include more years but can't find a website with a list - the above were from three different sources - but based on these, rumours of our crowds demise are much exaggerated.
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2004-5 3648
2005-6 3453 (promotion)
2006-7 4359
2007-8 4310
2008-9 3854 (relegation)
2009-0 3243
2010-1 2980
2011-2 3425
2012-3 3253
2013-4 2995 (first 20 games)

All from European football stats except current season (football365).
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leohoenig wrote:2004-5 3648
2005-6 3453 (promotion)
2006-7 4359
2007-8 4310
2008-9 3854 (relegation)
2009-0 3243
2010-1 2980
2011-2 3425
2012-3 3253
2013-4 2995 (first 20 games)

All from European football stats except current season (football365).
I'd call going from 4,300 to 2,900 plummeting!!!
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My point really was that posters on here were being criticised not long ago for stating how dissatisfied they were with this season. Now, it appears, the critics are agreeing.
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I don't think anyone has been satisfied with this season. However, some of us aren't as extreme in our thoughts.

Having seen more than one person refer to this season as our worst ever, you have to question whether you can take anything on here seriously.
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No way could anybody refer to this as our worst season ever. Those of let's say wrinkly status will remember seasons in the Beazer Homes leagues when things were pretty rough.
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Joey wrote:Nobody has still yet to provide any statistics that our attendances are down by hundreds or "plummeting".
Our last home game v Scunthorpe saw a crowd of less than 2000 and that included over 300 away fans, so if our average for this season is about 3000 I would say our crowds have plummeted by over 1000.
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An average over the season does not reflect the plummet of the last three months .
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Nesty wrote:No way could anybody refer to this as our worst season ever. Those of let's say wrinkly status will remember seasons in the Beazer Homes leagues when things were pretty rough.
CV has certainly referred to it as such. I recall my mock outrage at the time.
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I thought we had 1850 home fans versus Scunny and that away fans kept the total figure over 2000? Note. I didn't actually check this but a crowd of under 2000 total would be horrid.

Also to add I spoke with CS85 the other day and he is very much a die hard, barely missed a home game since we've been in the league and regular away however he has decided not to bother for the rest of the season so we are losing core fans.
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Nesty wrote:
leohoenig wrote:2004-5 3648
2005-6 3453 (promotion)
2006-7 4359
2007-8 4310
2008-9 3854 (relegation)
2009-0 3243
2010-1 2980
2011-2 3425
2012-3 3253
2013-4 2995 (first 20 games)

All from European football stats except current season (football365).
I'd call going from 4,300 to 2,900 plummeting!!!
Bound to happen when we drop down a league. I still don't see how any of this is Yates' fault either.
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Joey wrote:
Nesty wrote:
leohoenig wrote:2004-5 3648
2005-6 3453 (promotion)
2006-7 4359
2007-8 4310
2008-9 3854 (relegation)
2009-0 3243
2010-1 2980
2011-2 3425
2012-3 3253
2013-4 2995 (first 20 games)

All from European football stats except current season (football365).
I'd call going from 4,300 to 2,900 plummeting!!!
Bound to happen when we drop down a league. I still don't see how any of this is Yates' fault either.
its a combination of lots of things Joey - and trouble is it is a downward spiral, cheap players, poor team , falling gates, low budget. We need to have applied the brakes before now, instead Baker has pressed the accelerator
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Falling gates is to blame for falling gates? ;)

We got a nasty combination of the post-Allen era and the recession both occurring at the same time.
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So how is the Allen era any different to now from a fans perspective they are both periods of poor football and value.
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Nesty wrote:No way could anybody refer to this as our worst season ever. Those of let's say wrinkly status will remember seasons in the Beazer Homes leagues when things were pretty rough.
We were in the Beazer Homes League Premier Division from '92 to '97, and we were runners up four times out of the five seasons we were in that league, so would not describe those times as rough ?

In fact I enjoyed those times, watching the likes of Jimmy Smith et al scoring goals a plenty, and it seemed, a better atmosphere with the 800 hardy souls in the ground making more noise than we hear these days.
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Robin wrote:I thought we had 1850 home fans versus Scunny and that away fans kept the total figure over 2000? Note. I didn't actually check this but a crowd of under 2000 total would be horrid.
The figure of 1850 included season ticket holders who did not attend, of which, judging by the empty seats around me, there were many.
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Robin wrote:So how is the Allen era any different to now from a fans perspective they are both periods of poor football and value.
Are you serious?

The Allen era was horrific. From constantly being talked down on Sky Sports, to his God awful message on a Friday. Not forgetting that we didn't know who would be turning out from one week to the next. I know people are saying there is no connection to most of the players this season (I agree by the way), but at least we've seen the majority of them play in at least 10 games or more.

Not only that, but we were embarrassed by teams we had no right being embarrassed by. We only lost 4-0 to Accrington under his stewardship, bit in all honesty it could, and should, have been a cricket score. They would have left the field more pissed off than us.

Then there was the embarrassment he brought to the club's door. I won't use the unsubstantiated report that eventually got him sacked, but the dropping of his trousers in the Salisbury is a shocking way for the manager of a football club to behave in the town. Players who are still heavily respected at the club (John Finnigan for example) were practically begging the fans to protest to get him sacked (witnessed with my own eyes).

We as Cheltenham fans have been so spoilt over the past 18 years that we're classing a mid-table season as a shocker. It simply isn't. It's not great, and it certainly isn't what we expected, but we had it so much worse as little as 5 years ago, and Yates deserves credit for turning that around. Credit that he simply hasn't ever received from too many people on here.
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Our crowds are falling, I don't see how anyone could deny that. I was back home for the first time in ages last Tuesday and still gave our game a miss - unthinkable a few years ago, but I've been put off by horror stories about this season's performances. After seeing the result I felt I made the right decision.

Whether getting a new manager in would increase attendances is debatable. Bristol City are playing better and scoring more goals with Cotterill than they did under his predecessor, but their crowds have not risen.
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robinsrule wrote:Our crowds are falling, I don't see how anyone could deny that. I was back home for the first time in ages last Tuesday and still gave our game a miss - unthinkable a few years ago, but I've been put off by horror stories about this season's performances. After seeing the result I felt I made the right decision.

Whether getting a new manager in would increase attendances is debatable. Bristol City are playing better and scoring more goals with Cotterill than they did under his predecessor, but their crowds have not risen.
Why did you give it a miss

I thought the budget was based on 3000
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For the same reason that everybody else did I guess - cold outside, footie on the TV, low chance of seeing us win! If it's any consolation, I felt bad about it.
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