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swellingsdownbelow
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Another decision based on not just this seasons poor start, but what also went on at the end of 2017/18..

https://www.nottscountyfc.co.uk/news/20 ... n-departs/
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Robin
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That's worrying as I suspect they will likely go for Gary Bowyer now.

Would anyone take Nolan here? He'd certainly be ahead of a lot of names being banded about.
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Shade
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No. He just got sacked from a club with a much bigger budget, why the hell would we want him?
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Robin
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He did very well there when they didn't have a big budget, also did well at Orient.
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RegencyCheltenhamSpa
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So did he do a good job with a small budget or a bad job with a big budget?
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Ralph
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Robin wrote:He did very well there when they didn't have a big budget, also did well at Orient.
Why would we go for a just sacked mgr at the bottom club in our div that has a big budget?

“The last eight months have seen us win only eight of our 28 Sky Bet League Two matches, a run which saw us surrender our position in the automatic promotion places before suffering defeat in the play-off semi-finals.

“Our away form has also been a continuing concern, with only two league victories recorded on the road since the turn of the year.

“Ultimately, a continuation of this form would not allow us to meet our targets for the season and, having conceded 16 goals in our last five matches and being without a win in our last 10 competitive games"
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Robin
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I'm not suggesting we should take him, only asked whether we should consider him and I gave a rationale for that. The worst thing about this is it means Bowyer is likely to go there rather than here and we are running out of decent candidates quickly.
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RegencyCheltenhamSpa
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Who cares about Bowyer.
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horlickfanclub
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Not me.
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Robin
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Yeah who cares about getting a proven manager in we've got Milton and his incredibly track record of success.
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CTFC03
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Getting Bowyer should be our top priority and if we can't get him then we need either another experienced head.
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Shade
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This experienced manager nonsense is utterly ridiculous. Especially, Robin, when you say you want a proven manager but last week said you wanted Carsley, who has proven absolutely nothing, especially at this level. We can get an experienced manager in, but we just sacked one. A young, untested manager has just as much chance of success as one that's manager 300 games at this level but still finds himself at this level because he's just not actually that good. The good experienced managers are either over the curve, like Gary was, or managing at a higher level. The good coaches for this level are on their way up.
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Robin
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Sorry Shade, the vast majority of young managers fail in that they are sacked within a short time frame and never work again, it's pretty much the biggest gamble we can take.
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RegencyCheltenhamSpa
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Robin wrote:Sorry Shade, the vast majority of young managers fail in that they are sacked within a short time frame and never work again, it's pretty much the biggest gamble we can take.
They only never work again because clubs keep hiring older managers who have even more failures and sackings on the CV than young ones.
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Robin
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That's clearly not true and you know it. Experienced managers tend to have failings but also have a record of success across a number of clubs. Take Phil Brown, not a popular manager but had success at Bolton, Hull, Southend. GJ had done it at Yeovil twice and Bristol City before success here.
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Si Robin
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Phil Brown has never managed Bolton, but his time at Derby was a failure, as was his time at Preston.

Same for Gary Johnson, he massively failed at Peterborough, and Northampton fans don't have a single good word to say about him, let's not forget as well that he got Yeovil relegated in consecutive seasons having led them to the Championship.

Everywhere else but here, Martin Allen has been a massive success, so maybe it's just Cheltenham.

Yes, these managers have had success, but they've also had just as many failures, which means they are just as much a risk as any new manager. We have seen success with both types, our greatest ever manager had only managed at Sligo before us, and our second greatest (in my view) was as experienced as they come.

The board simply need to find someone with the same mentality and drive as them, someone that can tap into the club's philosophy, whether experienced or not. A Jerry Gill/Mickey Duff has just as much chance of success as Gary Bowyer or even (God forbid) Russell Slade.
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RegencyCheltenhamSpa
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Lol Phil Brown. The ‘team talk’ on the pitch half way through the season after which Hull only won one game out of 20 odd.

I have actually seen that incident used as an example of bad management and what not to do during management training courses!
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Si Robin
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It wasn't even an original idea - Paul Jewell did it when he first took over at Bradford and the players responded and went onto win the game. Was seen as the catalyst for the start to their promotion to the Premier League in 1999.
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