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 Post subject: Gloucester fans waking up to reality
 Post Posted: 19 Sep 2017, 15:08 
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Nearly all CTFC fans said years ago that the longer the cushy groundshare deal went on the worse it would be for Gloucester in the long term as it meant a return to the Gloucester became less and less likely and EMG taking control of all the land for commercial reasons more and more likely.

However, rather than protesting once it was clear it would be more than a year or two, or campaigning to drop a division and move back to Gloucester and play at Tuffley the fans seemed hooked on a cheap ground share like a cheap drug; thinking it was part of a positive plan when it was just slowly harming them.

Blindly following EMG and accepting groundshares seems to be coming home to roost as their fans are not enjoying Evesham and the team are struggling: http://cof.tigerroar.co.uk/showthread.p ... A-Cup-exit

It was five years or so ago I first proposed on this forum that CTFC show County loyalty and run a bucket collection (crowdfund) to help raise finances to get Gloucester back into the City where they could consolidate and grow. The suggestion was mocked by fans of both GCFC and CTFC. With hindsight, after more years of groundshare and now suffering the early signs of death in Evesham, it is clear a successful campaign back then would have been the best option.

I just hope the ground raising and levelling work going on at MP at the moment is not another piece of false hope bait being dangled by EMG and that the club can get back there before suffering too many relegations and potential bankruptcy.


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 Post subject: Re: Gloucester fans waking up to reality
 Post Posted: 20 Sep 2017, 09:20 
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It isn't and we won't.

You really do like talking about things of which you possess no knowledge.


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 Post subject: Re: Gloucester fans waking up to reality
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Daveangel wrote:
It isn't and we won't.

You really do like talking about things of which you possess no knowledge.


No doubt fans of many clubs which were destroyed by owners said the same thing until it was too late.

I will hold my hands up and admit I was wrong if EMG ever has you playing in Gloucester in the 6th tier.


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 Post subject: Re: Gloucester fans waking up to reality
 Post Posted: 20 Sep 2017, 11:17 
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You won't have to wait too long.


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 Post subject: Re: Gloucester fans waking up to reality
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Daveangel wrote:
You won't have to wait too long.


Have heard that every year for ten years. For your sake, I hope you are correct this time.


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We've never been remotely close in 10 years.

We are now.


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Dave, how are crowds compared to when you were at WR, are they about the same?
Whats the owner doing on the site ay MP? Thought someone posted pics of activity there last week


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Ralph wrote:
Dave, how are crowds compared to when you were at WR, are they about the same?
Whats the owner doing on the site ay MP? Thought someone posted pics of activity there last week


Currently raising and levelling the ground, ready to build a stadium.

However, if any snags emerge in the coming month, work may well stop. And who knows, might become a lorry park and warehouse in a year or two.


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RegencyCheltenhamSpa wrote:
Ralph wrote:
Dave, how are crowds compared to when you were at WR, are they about the same?
Whats the owner doing on the site ay MP? Thought someone posted pics of activity there last week


Currently raising and levelling the ground, ready to build a stadium.

However, if any snags emerge in the coming month, work may well stop. And who knows, might become a lorry park and warehouse in a year or two.


So RCS, is "Daveangel" another of the additional usernames that you have on here? I was asking him not you


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 Post subject: Re: Gloucester fans waking up to reality
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Ralph wrote:
Dave, how are crowds compared to when you were at WR, are they about the same?
Whats the owner doing on the site ay MP? Thought someone posted pics of activity there last week


Currently only down a bit, but we'd be kidding ourselves if we didn't expect some pretty horrifically low ones come freezing cold Tuesdays in February. A decent drop has been budgeted for, obviously offset by a greatly reduced rent.

The levelling will be complete in 5 or 6 weeks, and then the next stage begins. The powers that be are confident it will be ready to host NL football at some stage next season, though personally I'd rather spend 2 seasons at EUFC and go back to a more complete stadium, rather than just what's required to pass grading.

The new additions to the Management board seem to have brought a newfound energy and impetus, and the amount of manpower working daily down there is testament to that.

It would certainly make a very strange industrial estate, on a 12" plinth (and with a covenant for sporting use), but that's obviously why EMG has ploughed well over a million quid into it. It will all seem so obvious when he pulls out. :roll:


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Good to see that there is light at the end of the tunnel Dave. About time you were home


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Dave says EMG has put over a million quid in. Is it just coincidence that the accounts for Keyway Recycling filed in 2017 for y/e 2016 show an increase in Net Assets from Debtors of a million pound - who is or are those debtors? Let's hope Keyway haven't put the football club into debt.

Interestgly, you can't check the football club accounts. Gloucester City Football Club Limited was registered as a dormant company in 2016 accounts, with the most recent active accounts showing showing zero p&l and asset balance of £2 - just notional filing. The latest confirmation statement shows another EMG company (since he gained control in July 2017), a holding company called Arriva Group Limited (formerly McGurk Hoodings) took control of Gloucester City Football Club Limited in April this year.

Arriva Group also has debtors of £1.8m.

Nearly all of the tangible assets of Arriva Group Limited (£3m net) are land assets, so assume these include Meadow Park.

The multiple McGurks and Mr Temblett who are on the board of Keyway, GCFC and Arriva also hold positions on other holding companies. When I have more time I will investigate to see if it is possible to identify who the debtors are, who is coining it from the web of companies and holdcos, and whether or not the tax payer and/or the football club are at risk.


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 Post subject: Re: Gloucester fans waking up to reality
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Ooh, i.hope it's soon. I'm not sure I'll be able to sleep.


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Interestingly though Spatial Structures is a dormant company. Isn't that the shirt sponsor?


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Interestingly though Spatial Structures is a dormant company. Isn't that the shirt sponsor?


Good spot. Just another bit of creative accounting by EMG and his gang of spivs. No doubt some tax bills are being reduced and pockets being lined.


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Interestingly, Gloucester City Footballl Club is a different registered company to Gloucester City Association Football Club (1980), the latter of which currently has net liabilities of ~£68k, no doubt owed to one of the other EMG/Temblett companies. The biggest of these appears to be the care company Dynavour, which as long term liabilities of over £2million. Hopefully it won't go the way of many other care companies.


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RegencyCheltenhamSpa wrote:
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Interestingly though Spatial Structures is a dormant company. Isn't that the shirt sponsor?


Good spot. Just another bit of creative accounting by EMG and his gang of spivs. No doubt some tax bills are being reduced and pockets being lined.


If you get a second, I wonder if you could check if that statement is libelous, Samuel?


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Daveangel wrote:
RegencyCheltenhamSpa wrote:
ctfc-fan wrote:
Interestingly though Spatial Structures is a dormant company. Isn't that the shirt sponsor?


Good spot. Just another bit of creative accounting by EMG and his gang of spivs. No doubt some tax bills are being reduced and pockets being lined.


If you get a second, I wonder if you could check if that statement is libelous, Samuel?


Just giving my opinion and in any case, the initials EMG could refer to many different people. Happy for the moderators to remove it as there is no real evidence to hand yet to verify the statement.


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 Post subject: Re: Gloucester fans waking up to reality
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Any update from anyone on progress at Meadow Park, Dave?

Did all of the heavy machinery/vehicles get their work done before the special access/road closures have to end, for example?

Any more clarity on the timeline? Not long until the option of a 2nd year at Evesham will have to be exercised.


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 Post subject: Re: Gloucester fans waking up to reality
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To answer my question, I see the landfill at MP is progressing and claimed to be completed by early November. Hopefully positive news come November, but I won’t get my hopes up.


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 Post subject: Re: Gloucester fans waking up to reality
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Starting to dawn on some City supporters that lack of any communication from the Club means it is likely to be another season at Evesham next term: http://cof.tigerroar.co.uk/showthread.p ... News/page3


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 Post subject: Re: Gloucester fans waking up to reality
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Anyone involved with the club has always known that it was likely, hence the second year option.


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Any insight on the veracity of this claim by Tigermatty on the COF, Dave?

"Heard from a source very close to the owners that the land levelling will be done by xmas but the funding to build the stadium is likely to take years..."

http://cof.tigerroar.co.uk/showthread.p ... News/page3


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