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 Post subject: Global influence lost one afternoon
 Post Posted: 21 Nov 2017, 00:16 
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So not only have the EMA and EBA found a new home, it is also the first time since 1946 we won't have a judge on the UN (as it is now) International Court of Justice after withdrawing our candidate.

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 Post subject: Re: Global influence lost one afternoon
 Post Posted: 21 Nov 2017, 14:28 
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Apparently, we regain our sovereignty, pull up the drawbridge and give the NHS £350m per day. Or something.


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 Post subject: Re: Global influence lost one afternoon
 Post Posted: 21 Nov 2017, 15:56 
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However can the economy, workforce and our pride survive the loss of either the EMA or EBA. Wish I had a penny for every time I have heard those two institutions discussed in their role of global influence. Non story and no great loss. Easy seen as the EBA has gone to that financial backwater that is Paris


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 Post subject: Re: Global influence lost one afternoon
 Post Posted: 21 Nov 2017, 16:05 
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Different story for sat-apps companies now missing out on Galilelo funding.


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 Post subject: Re: Global influence lost one afternoon
 Post Posted: 21 Nov 2017, 17:54 
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Good luck to them in finding someone to cover our 14% of the funding


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 Post subject: Re: Global influence lost one afternoon
 Post Posted: 21 Nov 2017, 18:11 
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confused.com wrote:
Good luck to them in finding someone to cover our 14% of the funding


It's not an EU fund so we might not pull out. Unfortunately, issues like this are never discussed in our mainstream media so uncertainty prevails.


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 Post Posted: 21 Nov 2017, 23:10 
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Little England mentality = little influence.


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 Post subject: Re: Global influence lost one afternoon
 Post Posted: 22 Nov 2017, 07:33 
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RegencyCheltenhamSpa wrote:
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Good luck to them in finding someone to cover our 14% of the funding


It's not an EU fund so we might not pull out. Unfortunately, issues like this are never discussed in our mainstream media so uncertainty prevails.

Surely this is just the kind of option the government has mentioned e.g. erasmus, that we could keep paying in to. Like I say, good luck to them if they cut of their own noses. It seems to be a common trait with the EU negotiations these days. Or should I say demands. Would be nice of them to actualy publish how they come up with their divorce bill. If it is so obvious then most people would appreciate the clarity. Rather than acting like a Dickens character and just saying they want more


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confused.com wrote:
RegencyCheltenhamSpa wrote:
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Good luck to them in finding someone to cover our 14% of the funding


It's not an EU fund so we might not pull out. Unfortunately, issues like this are never discussed in our mainstream media so uncertainty prevails.

Surely this is just the kind of option the government has mentioned e.g. erasmus, that we could keep paying in to. Like I say, good luck to them if they cut of their own noses. It seems to be a common trait with the EU negotiations these days. Or should I say demands. Would be nice of them to actualy publish how they come up with their divorce bill. If it is so obvious then most people would appreciate the clarity. Rather than acting like a Dickens character and just saying they want more


Chart this week in the FT shows this very well.

https://amp.ft.com/content/61e4faea-cac ... 3fdc9b8c6c


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 Post subject: Re: Global influence lost one afternoon
 Post Posted: 23 Nov 2017, 21:28 
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RegencyCheltenhamSpa wrote:
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RegencyCheltenhamSpa wrote:
[quote="confused.com"]Good luck to them in finding someone to cover our 14% of the funding


It's not an EU fund so we might not pull out. Unfortunately, issues like this are never discussed in our mainstream media so uncertainty prevails.

Surely this is just the kind of option the government has mentioned e.g. erasmus, that we could keep paying in to. Like I say, good luck to them if they cut of their own noses. It seems to be a common trait with the EU negotiations these days. Or should I say demands. Would be nice of them to actualy publish how they come up with their divorce bill. If it is so obvious then most people would appreciate the clarity. Rather than acting like a Dickens character and just saying they want more


Chart this week in the FT shows this very well.

https://amp.ft.com/content/61e4faea-cac ... 3fdc9b8c6c[/quote]

It may show this very well if you have a subscription.


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 Post subject: Re: Global influence lost one afternoon
 Post Posted: 24 Nov 2017, 07:41 
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Sorry Mal. Have pasted the chart below.

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 Post subject: Re: Global influence lost one afternoon
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I don't remember the Leave campaign mentioning any of that... They said we could leave immediately and start giving the NHS £350m per week. Could it be that the only economics they understood related to The Truth?


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RegencyCheltenhamSpa wrote:
Sorry Mal. Have pasted the chart below.

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zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz that one has been done to death and misquoted to death.


The only telling factor on that chart is 'UK Gross liabilities ACCORDING TO THE EU'

Also, RCS, this does not specify exactly what the EU is saying the c£100bn is comprised of. That is like having a meal in a restaurant and being given a bill with just a total and no breakdown of costs.


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 Post subject: Re: Global influence lost one afternoon
 Post Posted: 24 Nov 2017, 10:29 
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The UK and EU are agreed on the commitments of what we currently owe, what we have signed to pay in future, and what we have half agreed to pay in future. The debate is around not paying the latter two, and what other costs we can offset against the former.


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 Post Posted: 24 Nov 2017, 13:18 
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RegencyCheltenhamSpa wrote:
The UK and EU are agreed on the commitments of what we currently owe, what we have signed to pay in future, and what we have half agreed to pay in future. The debate is around not paying the latter two, and what other costs we can offset against the former.

incorrect, their is a gulf between what we legally owe and what the EU says we owe. Otherwise the graph axis would have been labelled 'agreed UK gross liabilities'


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 Post subject: Re: Global influence lost one afternoon
 Post Posted: 24 Nov 2017, 13:57 
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The graph takes into account future more debatable stuff. The legally guaranteed commitments of current funding rounds is set in stone pretty much. What we can discount from that is up to negotiation.

For example, I was chatting to a senior DCLG bod at an event last week. They are opening up bids for 2018-2021 ERDF funding (that is what bid is about) so the Government is well of commitments like that.

Whereas we evidently are no longer committed to finding like this: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-42097692


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 Post subject: Re: Global influence lost one afternoon
 Post Posted: 24 Nov 2017, 15:42 
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Should be easy then if it is 'pretty much' set in stone for the EU to spell out what is pretty much set in stone, instead of doing an oliver twist


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Should be easy then if it is 'pretty much' set in stone for the EU to spell out what is pretty much set in stone, instead of doing an oliver twist


That is negotiation. EU trying to hold on to some loose soil on the stone, UK trying to chip some bits off the stone.


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 Post subject: Re: Global influence lost one afternoon
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Another planned high-value high-skill R&D investment being moved out of the UK. If a deal doesn't ensure security for our pharma and biotech firms we are in trouble.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/201 ... entre/amp/


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 Post subject: Re: Global influence lost one afternoon
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Another seat at the top table lost: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... of-justice


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What a disaster this Brexit is becoming/has become!


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Johnsons Red Army wrote:
What a disaster this Brexit is becoming/has become!


And we haven't even started talking about the difficult stuff yet let alone implemented anything.


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 Post Posted: 07 Dec 2017, 20:18 
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"The UK is "very close" to securing a Brexit deal on the Irish border and an agreement is expected within hours, an Irish official has said."

https://news.sky.com/story/eus-tusk-to- ... t-11160509

Wonder what concessions she (May) is making now, and also whether she has briefed the DUP and got them on board this time!


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 Post subject: Re: Global influence lost one afternoon
 Post Posted: 07 Dec 2017, 20:54 
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Let's wait and see. Maybe it will have the same level of "excruciating detail", to quote David Davis, as the impact assessment studies which "don't exist", to quote David Davis.

Here is a good piece in The Telegraph mocking Davis' lies/incompetence.


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