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 Post subject: Re: Porn blocking
 Post Posted: 19 Nov 2013, 15:29 
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No one is talking about banning it.

If an adult wants booze or fags they can go to a licensed premises and buy some. If porn is blocked they can go to the ISP and ask to unblock it - no mention of a ban for people old enough to access it.

Pubs and licence laws act as a block to kids accessing those by their supply being restricted by laws and parents, a default ISP block would be the same.


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 Post subject: Re: Porn blocking
 Post Posted: 19 Nov 2013, 15:57 
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Just to add after Joey mentioned Twitter ... People say Twitter etc is a great social site and I agree but there is dark side, the amount of porn on there is another concern. You don't need to look for it and kids see this stuff.


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Ban/block you get what I mean.............

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One thing I did forget to mention.

Page 3, that's not getting stopped by Mr.Cameron is it?

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No Page 3 is not stopped. I believe it should be, but this is a discussion not about P3 but about ISP porn blocking so kids find it harder to access for the good of society, without restricting on anyone over the age of 18 to watch as much as they want.

If we are going to list every other thing the government is or is not blocking this thread will never end.


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Joey, would you be happy for drinks and tobacco firms just to leave their products outside the school gates for twelve year olds to help themselves to without restriction? Or do you prefer the current licensing system?


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I mention Page 3 due to that people such as yourself is that kids should not be exposed to such things, yet how is it fine to have a topless female in every edition of The Sun? It tells you something that Cameron is willing to bring his crusade to the internet but not Murdoch's paper.

The internet is not perfect but it's a place where people can do or say whatever they like without fear of censorship or prejudice. I'm so against this not because I'm some porn addict but simply because it sets us down a path that I do not wish to go. Freedoms are rarely lost in one big swipe, they are taken away little by little while they subdue the masses with their reality TV shows, plastic idols and class warfare. As I said before, this will not work as The Pirate Bay has proved. The way to solve this issue is to build an educated and open society. Rather than blaming themselves and admit their failures, they in turn blame the internet because it's an easy thing to do. Blame something which half the population don't fully understand and use protecting the children as some form of defense because if you don't agree with it you're some child hating monster. This is typical Tory tactics of divide and control.

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Joey, would you be happy for drinks and tobacco firms just to leave their products outside the school gates for twelve year olds to help themselves to without restriction? Or do you prefer the current licensing system?


If they started to leave free alcohol and tobacco outside schools I doubt it would be the youngsters helping themselves.


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Joey wrote:

RegencyCheltenhamSpa wrote:
Joey, would you be happy for drinks and tobacco firms just to leave their products outside the school gates for twelve year olds to help themselves to without restriction? Or do you prefer the current licensing system?


If they started to leave free alcohol and tobacco outside schools I doubt it would be the youngsters helping themselves.


Yes or No answer was required - please try again without the politician style diversion.


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Joey wrote:
I mention Page 3 due to that people such as yourself is that kids should not be exposed to such things, yet how is it fine to have a topless female in every edition of The Sun? It tells you something that Cameron is willing to bring his crusade to the internet but not Murdoch's paper.

The internet is not perfect but it's a place where people can do or say whatever they like without fear of censorship or prejudice. I'm so against this not because I'm some porn addict but simply because it sets us down a path that I do not wish to go. Freedoms are rarely lost in one big swipe, they are taken away little by little while they subdue the masses with their reality TV shows, plastic idols and class warfare. As I said before, this will not work as The Pirate Bay has proved. The way to solve this issue is to build an educated and open society. Rather than blaming themselves and admit their failures, they in turn blame the internet because it's an easy thing to do. Blame something which half the population don't fully understand and use protecting the children as some form of defense because if you don't agree with it you're some child hating monster. This is typical Tory tactics of divide and control.
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I agree with you on the Page 3 issue and the double standards being shown by the PM. However, I don't think that the PM being too cowardly to stand up to Murdoch is a reason not to support a plan to reduce the risk of future generations growing up with their fundamental aspects of human relationships neurologically damaged.

Maybe we disagree on the internet - I see no reason why it should be any more or less free than anything else. Things shouldn't be legal just because they are online. Someone selling crystal meth or PPK on The Pirate Bay is just as much as a criminal as someone doing so on Barton Street and should not be treated any differently.

I also agree with you that this is being used as another way of blaming something other than the economic/political system, same as the tabloid immigration propaganda.

Our economy revolves around getting people hooked on buying things, whether sugar/salt, porn, cheap clothes, beer, etc etc and as long as there is a profit motive that won't change. I am not against the profit motive for non-public services such as those just mentioned, and I do believe it is the governments role to try and prevent people making profit by damaging children and society - same reason I support alcohol minimum pricing and higher taxes on junk food.


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 Post Posted: 26 Nov 2013, 08:20 
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Enough is enough.

"the music and pornographic industries have a great deal to answer for in creating such attitudes, with young girls being treated as commodities within gangs, passed around as sexual toys or used to ensnare rival gang members.

The inquiry found that 2,409 youngsters were known to be victims of child sexual exploitation by gangs and groups, while a further 16,500 were at risk.

It warned that the problem was prevalent in every area of England, and was not restricted just to low-income, inner-city neighbourhoods but "in every type of neighbourhood, rural, urban, deprived, not deprived".

Joey - if you want to dispute science you can find the link to the published report via this harrowing article:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-25090896


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The Prime Minister: We have put in place some of the toughest controls that one can possibly have within a democratic Government, and the TPIMs are obviously one part of that. We have had repeated meetings of the extremism task force—it met again yesterday—setting out a whole series of steps that we will take to counter the extremist narrative, including by blocking online sites. Now that I have the opportunity, let me praise Facebook for yesterday reversing the decision it took about the showing of beheading videos online. We will take all these steps and many more to keep our country safe.

Filters used in the porn-block are now going to be used to block "extremist" sites to "keep our country safe".

Source - http://www.publications.parliament.uk/p ... 2356000002

WAR IS PEACE, FREEDOM IS SLAVERY, and IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH.

P.S I'm not saying porn doesn't have a negative effect on people or does the shitty mainstream music industry. Just that this censorship won't work and leads us down a dark and dangerous path.


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Some of the behaviour the pornhub generation grow up thinking is acceptable and just a laugh.

http://www.theguardian.com/education/20 ... ence-clubs


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How old are the pornhub generation? I'm 41 and I've never seen anything like this happen. My nephews are 27 and went to the same Uni as i did. I went down and stayed many times and never saw behaviour like this. One of the "Guardian interviewees" complained she was touched in a nightclub. Are her parents not aware she was too young to be there? Do they not look at themselves if their 15yo daughter tells them she's been followed on the way home from a club?

To me, it's more about personal responsibility. I could have easily run up £5k debt on internet grott if I so wished. I had/have no filter stopping me or my lads doing it. Just a bit of common sense, the odd unscheduled history check and good family relationships.


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I think the real backwards step is amongst people currently below the age of twenty.


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Certainly gone are the days when your best chance as a kid was finding a magazine in a hedge!


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RegencyCheltenhamSpa wrote:
Some of the behaviour the pornhub generation grow up thinking is acceptable and just a laugh.

http://www.theguardian.com/education/20 ... ence-clubs


Last year a club in Glasgow installed two-way mirrors in the women's toilets. More recently, a Valentine's Day speed dating night in Nottingham was cancelled after people complained about the "bag a slag" and "grab a hag" theme.
Young people can be particularly vulnerable. Last year a poster promoting a student club night in Cardiff contained an image with the words: "I was raping a woman last night and she cried". And themes like "rappers and slappers" and "geeks and sluts" are common in student areas.


WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE


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Joey wrote:
RegencyCheltenhamSpa wrote:
Some of the behaviour the pornhub generation grow up thinking is acceptable and just a laugh.

http://www.theguardian.com/education/20 ... ence-clubs


Last year a club in Glasgow installed two-way mirrors in the women's toilets. More recently, a Valentine's Day speed dating night in Nottingham was cancelled after people complained about the "bag a slag" and "grab a hag" theme.
Young people can be particularly vulnerable. Last year a poster promoting a student club night in Cardiff contained an image with the words: "I was raping a woman last night and she cried". And themes like "rappers and slappers" and "geeks and sluts" are common in student areas.


WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE


Just a symptom of the society we live in Joey which is why I support policy to try and change that. Obviously schools and parents have a responsibility, but as long as mainstream media and entertainment continue to promote such a culture and dismiss arguments like mine as some form of extreme feminism, then even the schools/parents who do try will be facing a lost cause.

The people who made the poster you mention above probably hear glorification of rape everyday in music and watch rough pornography most days. When they pick up a newspaper it'll be examining some celebrities bodies in minute detail for no reason other than objectification/degradation and when they read a lads mag it'll have tips on how to make your girlfriend be more like a pornstar in bed. All of that is promoted and encouraged by very rich media and entertainment executives and is so normalised that they probably didn't even think their poster was wrong, as you put it.

The same way violent and dangerous dogs are products of their environment and how they are treated, the culture of the masses in the UK is a product of the media (all forms).

Porn blocking should be just the first short-term policy to protect the most vulnerable from the most extreme right now, with changing attitudes amongst newspaper, music and advertising executives, and more focus on education at schools being the longer term goals.

Liberalism isn't liberalism when it serves to subjugate sections of society for personal gain, so I do not consider porn blocking and other legislation a non-liberal measure.


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By blocking or banning anything, you are forcing it into the darker recesses of society. In the instance of porn all that will happen is it will become more extreme, the weaker members of society will become more exploited and those that wish to access it will find ways around the blocks and bans. As with anything on the internet censorship is about 25 years too late.


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You can't censor the internet, as the president of Turkey is currently discovering.


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Joey wrote:
You can't censor the internet, as the president of Turkey is currently discovering.


I am not talking about censorship, just legislating to make access more similar to the real world.

Do you genuinely believe that whilst it's illegal for a 12 year old to buy (reletively) soft-core porn in a corner-shop there should be no laws or restrictions prevent them from watching very extreme porn on the internet?


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http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-26779639


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More examples of the affect people like Joey who say UK law should not apply if using a computer, phone or tablet have on society:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-41499243

"I think we can blame a lot of things on the porn industry, we can blame social media and the ease of access. But they're an infected generation..."

(Plus, that headline really is open to comedy misinterpretation :lol:)


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