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Not nice for these poor creatures.ctfc-fan wrote: cause it's nice.
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That has to be one of the funniest things I have ever read on this forum.ctfc-fan wrote:Sorry Mal, but McDonalds beef is better quality than Waitrose.
You will be telling me next that their chips are made from potatoes.
Please explain yourself then Dave as your comment does not make sense...taxidave wrote:That has to be one of the funniest things I have ever read on this forum.ctfc-fan wrote:Sorry Mal, but McDonalds beef is better quality than Waitrose.
You will be telling me next that their chips are made from potatoes.
McDonalds beef is of a higher standard than Waitrose with Waitrose second. I don't see where chips being made from potatoes comes into the mix? If you are trying to say all beef is the same then you're totally wrong and out of your depth in this conversation.
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It might be better than the cheapest waitrose stuff but I do not believe it is better overall. Anyway this was about kfc. http://Www.chickenout.tv" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
It is not only the raw ingredients that count but the way it is cooked.
In the the case of fries it depends on the size, fatter chips are better than thin chips, such as McDonalds, as the in the bigger chips the total covered by oil is less than several thinner fries.
I am interested Dave as to what are the ingredients of fries if they are not potatoes?
In the the case of fries it depends on the size, fatter chips are better than thin chips, such as McDonalds, as the in the bigger chips the total covered by oil is less than several thinner fries.
I am interested Dave as to what are the ingredients of fries if they are not potatoes?
Potatoes, canola oil, hydrogenated soybean oil, safflower oil, natural flavour (vegetable source), dextrose, sodium acid pyrophosphate (maintain colour), citric acid (preservative), dimethylpolysiloxane (antifoaming agent) and cooked in vegetable oil (Canola oil, corn oil, soybean oil, hydrogenated soybean oil with THBQ, citric acid and dimethylpolysiloxane) and salt (silicoaluminate, dextrose, potassium iodide).
At a glance, many of the ingredients above are hazardous to human health, including those which are genetically modified (canola oil, corn oil, soybean oil), hydrogenated (soybean oil), chemically preserved and antifoaming (THBQ, citric acid, dimethylpolysiloxane), and artificially colored (sodium acid pyrophosphate).
How many people do you think have an awareness that McDonald’s french fries contain this many ingredients? hopefully it will help wake up more people to the difference between your artificial food and real food.
At a glance, many of the ingredients above are hazardous to human health, including those which are genetically modified (canola oil, corn oil, soybean oil), hydrogenated (soybean oil), chemically preserved and antifoaming (THBQ, citric acid, dimethylpolysiloxane), and artificially colored (sodium acid pyrophosphate).
How many people do you think have an awareness that McDonald’s french fries contain this many ingredients? hopefully it will help wake up more people to the difference between your artificial food and real food.
I'm guessing ctfc-fan is suggesting that McDonalds burgers are better because they contain more "beef" than their Waitrose counter parts.
Completely discounting that McDonald's burgers, while comprised of more parts of a cow, those parts are in all likelihood the c!#p that's left over after Waitrose have taken all prime steak mince to create their 95% beef burgers.
i.e. McDonald's 100% beef (low grade mince, tripe, liver, kidney, ground bone, tendon and ligaments, other offal deemed suitable for human consumption.
Waitrose 95% Prime cut steak mince, Breadcrumbs, seasoning etc.
I'll leave it up to you to decide which is healthier, better tasting and overall better for you?
Completely discounting that McDonald's burgers, while comprised of more parts of a cow, those parts are in all likelihood the c!#p that's left over after Waitrose have taken all prime steak mince to create their 95% beef burgers.
i.e. McDonald's 100% beef (low grade mince, tripe, liver, kidney, ground bone, tendon and ligaments, other offal deemed suitable for human consumption.
Waitrose 95% Prime cut steak mince, Breadcrumbs, seasoning etc.
I'll leave it up to you to decide which is healthier, better tasting and overall better for you?
This is for the american market but i would suggest that the basic answer would be the same everywhere.. Snopes looks into rumours and claims and decides true or false http://www.snopes.com/business/market/allbeef.asp" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
and here http://thankyourbody.com/mcdonalds-hamburger/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
ctfc-fan really?
and here http://thankyourbody.com/mcdonalds-hamburger/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
ctfc-fan really?
Your second link reminded me of a story I was told regarding a sweetener that was developed at the end of the 70's early 80's that to all intents and purposes was indistinguishable from sugar in taste tests.
The sugar companies commissioned trials believing that this sweetener was carcinogenic. So rats were fed this sweetener in quantities of 2-3 times their body weight per day, until they developed carcinoma's and the various health legislators banned the sweetener.
No idea if this is an urban myth but my biology teacher claimed you could quite readily come by the research papers detailing the trials.
The sugar companies commissioned trials believing that this sweetener was carcinogenic. So rats were fed this sweetener in quantities of 2-3 times their body weight per day, until they developed carcinoma's and the various health legislators banned the sweetener.
No idea if this is an urban myth but my biology teacher claimed you could quite readily come by the research papers detailing the trials.
McDonalds take their beef before Waitrose and then it goes down to the other food chains with the Tesco Basics etc being at the bottom end of quality of meat.baggy89 wrote:I'm guessing ctfc-fan is suggesting that McDonalds burgers are better because they contain more "beef" than their Waitrose counter parts.
Completely discounting that McDonald's burgers, while comprised of more parts of a cow, those parts are in all likelihood the c!#p that's left over after Waitrose have taken all prime steak mince to create their 95% beef burgers.
i.e. McDonald's 100% beef (low grade mince, tripe, liver, kidney, ground bone, tendon and ligaments, other offal deemed suitable for human consumption.
Waitrose 95% Prime cut steak mince, Breadcrumbs, seasoning etc.
I'll leave it up to you to decide which is healthier, better tasting and overall better for you?
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ctfc-fan wrote:Sorry Mal, but McDonalds beef is better quality than Waitrose.
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So please explain how you know more than the rest of us when it comes to meat, are you a butcher or do you work for McDonalds.ctfc-fan wrote:Another one who knows better thenHubert Parry wrote:ctfc-fan wrote:Sorry Mal, but McDonalds beef is better quality than Waitrose.
I am sure that if you can convince us that you have an inside knowledge of the meat trade we will acknowledge your superior insight into the subject.
Well Dave my knowledge comes from within management at Waitrose head office where I know someone who works there and has done so for many years. Not just a cleaner in the Cheltenham store if that's what you're thinking.taxidave wrote:So please explain how you know more than the rest of us when it comes to meat, are you a butcher or do you work for McDonalds.ctfc-fan wrote:Another one who knows better thenHubert Parry wrote:
I am sure that if you can convince us that you have an inside knowledge of the meat trade we will acknowledge your superior insight into the subject.
So there's the source of my information.
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Well I must admit I am not very impressed by your source, basically it is just second hand information from a mate who could, possibly, be taking the p!ss out of you.ctfc-fan wrote:Well Dave my knowledge comes from within management at Waitrose head office where I know someone who works there and has done so for many years. Not just a cleaner in the Cheltenham store if that's what you're thinking.
So there's the source of my information.
Have you ever considered that he might just be winding you up.
I don't normally post regarding performances as I can't get to many matches at present so don't think I have. And that's probably not the best example. I'd never say anything bad about my own business and no sane business person would either.Ralph wrote:You put your team down on a few occasions.. same thingctfc-fan wrote:Why would someone put their own company down Dave? I really cannot be bothered to try and justify it anymore. It's up to you if you want to believe it or not.
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http://www.mcdonalds.co.uk/ukhome/whatm ... rgers.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;ctfc-fan wrote:OK. Thanks for your valuable input there.RegencyCheltenhamSpa wrote:A load of bull.
http://www.waitrose.com/home/inspiratio ... /beef.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
By their own admission:
McDonalds sauces beef from third party suppliers/processors, one of whom uses the laughable tagline "a world of food solutions" - see the pre-made burgers here: http://www.osigroup.com/products.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Waitrose source beef direct from their partnership farms and butcher it themselves.
Regardless of the 'quality of the cow' in my opinion the way the Waitrose beef is procured means it is of better quality than McDonalds.
I also believe that the farming methods and the quality of the meat on the animal, and the time taken to go from slaughter to shop counter will be quicker and more fresh for the Waitrose products. That is based purely on common sense rather than any evidence to hand.
I do think you should cease your line of argument.
I think you'll find the meat is bred especially for McDonalds and is processed on their behalf by those companies.RegencyCheltenhamSpa wrote:http://www.mcdonalds.co.uk/ukhome/whatm ... rgers.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;ctfc-fan wrote:OK. Thanks for your valuable input there.RegencyCheltenhamSpa wrote:A load of bull.
http://www.waitrose.com/home/inspiratio ... /beef.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
By their own admission:
McDonalds sauces beef from third party suppliers/processors, one of whom uses the laughable tagline "a world of food solutions" - see the pre-made burgers here: http://www.osigroup.com/products.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Waitrose source beef direct from their partnership farms and butcher it themselves.
Regardless of the 'quality of the cow' in my opinion the way the Waitrose beef is procured means it is of better quality than McDonalds.
I also believe that the farming methods and the quality of the meat on the animal, and the time taken to go from slaughter to shop counter will be quicker and more fresh for the Waitrose products. That is based purely on common sense rather than any evidence to hand.
I do think you should cease your line of argument.
And it's sources not sauces.
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I never said it is not processed especially for McDonalds. But processed is the key word there, as opposed to a freshly butchered un-processed joint or steak.ctfc-fan wrote:I think you'll find the meat is bred especially for McDonalds and is processed on their behalf by those companies.RegencyCheltenhamSpa wrote:
http://www.mcdonalds.co.uk/ukhome/whatm ... rgers.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.waitrose.com/home/inspiratio ... /beef.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
By their own admission:
McDonalds sauces beef from third party suppliers/processors, one of whom uses the laughable tagline "a world of food solutions" - see the pre-made burgers here: http://www.osigroup.com/products.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Waitrose source beef direct from their partnership farms and butcher it themselves.
Regardless of the 'quality of the cow' in my opinion the way the Waitrose beef is procured means it is of better quality than McDonalds.
I also believe that the farming methods and the quality of the meat on the animal, and the time taken to go from slaughter to shop counter will be quicker and more fresh for the Waitrose products. That is based purely on common sense rather than any evidence to hand.
I do think you should cease your line of argument.
And it's sources not sauces.
That was a poor typo by me - thanks for pointing it out.
Now, Waitrose processed frozen lasagnas/ready meals were implicated in the horse meat scandal, but that was the lowest grade 'meat' available in their stores. Your mate may have been talking about that in which case McDonald's may have been better. But it is simply incorrect to say McDonald's processed burgers are better than actual fresh beef available in Waitrose.
Surely we need to define what 'processing' is involved. Could simply mincing and freezing. You cannot simply disregard something just because someone has used the word 'processing'. By that rule then all frozen foods are processed, even frozen peas are processed when all they do is just freeze them.
Thank you. I meant processing as in slaughtering and butchering and forming the meat.RTT wrote:Surely we need to define what 'processing' is involved. Could simply mincing and freezing. You cannot simply disregard something just because someone has used the word 'processing'. By that rule then all frozen foods are processed, even frozen peas are processed when all they do is just freeze them.
mmmmm look at all that lovely meat in McDonalds Mc Rib ..
Heres whats in it http://naturalsociety.com/mcdonalds-mcr ... gredients/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Since McDonald’s knows you’d never eat a pig heart, tongue, or stomach on your plate, they decided instead to grind up these ingredients and put them into the form of a typical rib. That way, consumers won’t know what they’re putting into their mouths.
So in other words, it’s not actually a rib. Instead, it’s a combination of unwanted animal scraps processed down in major facilities and ‘restructured’ into the form of a rib. Then, 70 additives, chemicals, fillers, and GMO ingredients later, you have a ‘meat’ product that tastes like ribs.
Better quality meat than Waitrose
Heres whats in it http://naturalsociety.com/mcdonalds-mcr ... gredients/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Since McDonald’s knows you’d never eat a pig heart, tongue, or stomach on your plate, they decided instead to grind up these ingredients and put them into the form of a typical rib. That way, consumers won’t know what they’re putting into their mouths.
So in other words, it’s not actually a rib. Instead, it’s a combination of unwanted animal scraps processed down in major facilities and ‘restructured’ into the form of a rib. Then, 70 additives, chemicals, fillers, and GMO ingredients later, you have a ‘meat’ product that tastes like ribs.
Better quality meat than Waitrose