About climate change.
Don't feck about with Mother Nature. I have been voicing that message for 15 years plus.
When will your ears listen....
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Absolutely right Mal.. just looking at the pics in the mail of the storms in the southwest.. Crazy weather there now for weeks. Weathers changing here too. Areas that used to get a lot of snow are starting to get less and other areas are now getting some. Meanwhile in the south in the dry hot areas, like Texas.. its getting hotter
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Trust you to bring politics into it when of course the real reason for this bad weather is that nobody has worshipped the gods hard enough, just go out and kill a goat and pour its blood over the altar and everything will be ok.Joey wrote:Good thing the Tories are full of climate change deniers/sceptics.
Alternatively just accept that it is just bad weather and it happens all the time, throughout all ages, for example even in 1852 we were suffering from similar weather conditions in this country, so do you think the Victorians were going around wringing their hands and blaming the exhaust fumes from motor cars or the smoke belching out of coal fired power stations or even that it was a threat to national security.
I bet you will be having the same old moan in the summer when we are in the middle of a drought and have a hosepipe ban.
These events don't just happen, we couldn't grow grapes in England during the Romanic periods because the gods allowed it. Changes such as sunspots and the rotation of the earth's axis can cause changes in the climate. However when scientists tell us time and time again that the earth's climate is changing as a result of human activities, I find it hard to believe they're wrong. Nothing is going to change when you've got somebody like Owen Paterson who is a climate change sceptic or Nigel Lawson who outright denies it, being part of or influential over the current government.taxidave wrote:Trust you to bring politics into it when of course the real reason for this bad weather is that nobody has worshipped the gods hard enough, just go out and kill a goat and pour its blood over the altar and everything will be ok.Joey wrote:Good thing the Tories are full of climate change deniers/sceptics.
Alternatively just accept that it is just bad weather and it happens all the time, throughout all ages, for example even in 1852 we were suffering from similar weather conditions in this country, so do you think the Victorians were going around wringing their hands and blaming the exhaust fumes from motor cars or the smoke belching out of coal fired power stations or even that it was a threat to national security.
I bet you will be having the same old moan in the summer when we are in the middle of a drought and have a hosepipe ban.
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Why can't you just accept the fact that they may be right and you are wrong.Joey wrote: Nothing is going to change when you've got somebody like Owen Paterson who is a climate change sceptic or Nigel Lawson who outright denies it, being part of or influential over the current government.
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One simple reason. If nothing is known for certain the best course of action is to assume the option that is most likely. The greatest scientists of recent decades have been researching and researching with data, modelling and calculations of such rigour and complexity that you and I have minuscule knowledge and skills of.taxidave wrote:Why can't you just accept the fact that they may be right and you are wrong.Joey wrote: Nothing is going to change when you've got somebody like Owen Paterson who is a climate change sceptic or Nigel Lawson who outright denies it, being part of or influential over the current government.
The result of that is that there is about 95% consensus amongst scientists that humans are encouraging climate change through emissions production etc.
I don't care about the opinions of the lay-public, politicians or ex-taxi drivers - their opinions are just opinions, the scientific consensus is the best and most accurate knowledge currently known to man.
No offence to these people, but I will trust experienced scientists ahead of them and I genuinely cannot understand how someone can form a counter-position. To deny science is akin to insisting a blue pen is green when everyone can see it is blue!
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So how do you explain the similar circumstances over 150 years ago, they cannot have been caused by man made emissions, perhaps they were freak weather conditions just like the present ones.
One obvious reason for the more acute flooding could of course be that we are building too many houses on the flood plains, perhaps if we put a greater control on immigration we would not need to build so many houses.
One obvious reason for the more acute flooding could of course be that we are building too many houses on the flood plains, perhaps if we put a greater control on immigration we would not need to build so many houses.
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I am not going to offer my own theory as it will be just as full of holes as yours. That is what our world leading scientists are for.taxidave wrote:So how do you explain the similar circumstances over 150 years ago, they cannot have been caused by man made emissions, perhaps they were freak weather conditions just like the present ones.
One obvious reason for the more acute flooding could of course be that we are building too many houses on the flood plains, perhaps if we put a greater control on immigration we would not need to build so many houses.
I was talking about climate change in general, not just the floods per se - I won't even try to explain whether or how that is a result of climate change.