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Put a ton on myself.
And I'm not confused.
Nail in the coffin for remainders.
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Watch IDS rip another arsehole for Salmond.
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Where does the foliage stop and your shorts start ?RegencyCheltenhamSpa wrote:
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I believe it is this kind of arrogant bull$hit, trying to compartmentalise people. That drives the don't knows towards 'Leave'.asl wrote:
I have no desire to drive anyone in either direction, confused. I'm sat firmly on the fence (albeit swaying slightly towards staying) and suspect I will be until the day of the vote.
Some food for Mal: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ho ... 26796.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Some food for Mal: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ho ... 26796.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Thank you.asl wrote:I have no desire to drive anyone in either direction, confused. I'm sat firmly on the fence (albeit swaying slightly towards staying) and suspect I will be until the day of the vote.
Some food for Mal: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ho ... 26796.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I can see for myself the impact of mass immigration in the UK has on every sector : Jobs; housing, school, NHS and the welfare state.
The London school of economics is a genuine good source for information but it's down to their opinion or research in favour of the EU....?
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I suppose it is down to interpretation rather than opinion.
It is a fact that immigration is a net contributor to the treasury, that immigrants have a lower rate of unemployment and benefit claims, and increase the skills in the workforce and the working age population which would otherwise stagnate.
Some say that these facts ignore increased numbers demanding homes, schools and healthcare.
Others argue that as they net contribute to the public coffers it is the government's fault for not spending the increased revenue on public services and infrastructure.
My view is that the government use immigration to prop up the pension scheme due to an ageing population.
My view is raise the retirement age to 75. If you want to retire at 67 then accept a couple of immigrants to work in the country to pay for it.
The pensions crisis is serious. My NI is paying for my Gran, let alone my Mum and I do not expect to receive a state pension at all unless something changes or we manage to grow the number of young people.
It is a fact that immigration is a net contributor to the treasury, that immigrants have a lower rate of unemployment and benefit claims, and increase the skills in the workforce and the working age population which would otherwise stagnate.
Some say that these facts ignore increased numbers demanding homes, schools and healthcare.
Others argue that as they net contribute to the public coffers it is the government's fault for not spending the increased revenue on public services and infrastructure.
My view is that the government use immigration to prop up the pension scheme due to an ageing population.
My view is raise the retirement age to 75. If you want to retire at 67 then accept a couple of immigrants to work in the country to pay for it.
The pensions crisis is serious. My NI is paying for my Gran, let alone my Mum and I do not expect to receive a state pension at all unless something changes or we manage to grow the number of young people.
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Thought I would stalk you a bit moreRegencyCheltenhamSpa wrote:I suppose it is down to interpretation rather than opinion.
It is a fact that immigration is a net contributor to the treasury, that immigrants have a lower rate of unemployment and benefit claims, and increase the skills in the workforce and the working age population which would otherwise stagnate.
Some say that these facts ignore increased numbers demanding homes, schools and healthcare.
Others argue that as they net contribute to the public coffers it is the government's fault for not spending the increased revenue on public services and infrastructure.
My view is that the government use immigration to prop up the pension scheme due to an ageing population.
My view is raise the retirement age to 75. If you want to retire at 67 then accept a couple of immigrants to work in the country to pay for it.
The pensions crisis is serious. My NI is paying for my Gran, let alone my Mum and I do not expect to receive a state pension at all unless something changes or we manage to grow the number of young people.
On re reading this does not seem very water tight. It almost presumes that someone is going to create jobs that don't already exist, just to support pensions. Also that we need foreign nationals in to fill these jobs. If you take the assumption of a nuclear family moving in, I would suggest that any / all tax paid by the person taking the job, will be used to cover his / her own families expenses for the country. So you may just have to work to 75.
However, agree that the pension situation is a total mess and a betrayal of those who have worked all their lives and paid the required contributions to the state. On this one I always take the stance that we should be looking after our own first and foremost. Anything spare can go to the 'regular' overseas aid budget. After all, India can hardly be expected to fund its space programme itself
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I find point 5 very hard to believe. What they are trying to claim is that there is no difference in cost between a UK citizen attending a hospital any number of times. And an immigrant attending a hospital. That a foreign national at school who needs a translator, cost no more than a UK citizen .asl wrote:I have no desire to drive anyone in either direction, confused. I'm sat firmly on the fence (albeit swaying slightly towards staying) and suspect I will be until the day of the vote.
Some food for Mal: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ho ... 26796.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Seems peculiar then that Public services in England is spending approx £145 million a year in translation services. Now that is a lot of extra tax that foreign national worker must be paying, that UK taxpayers do not pay.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-e ... m-36485464" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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That £350m has been spent several times over by the Brexiters on the NHS and other things.
Unfortunately none of it on replacing ERDF and ESF funding which contrbutes a huge amount of investment in our poorest regions - something I doubt the likes of Boris and Farrage have any desire to continue if we leave the EU.
Unfortunately none of it on replacing ERDF and ESF funding which contrbutes a huge amount of investment in our poorest regions - something I doubt the likes of Boris and Farrage have any desire to continue if we leave the EU.
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Personally the one issue that makes me certain to vote leave (while being very aware of the risks), is it seems the only way to get out of TTIP.
It is a fine example of how the EU can get us in to agreements that can cause so much damage and there is nothing we can do about it. No EU = No TTIP
It is a fine example of how the EU can get us in to agreements that can cause so much damage and there is nothing we can do about it. No EU = No TTIP
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Agree Confused, TTIP is a major issue and I know others who feel the same as you.
However as we have the most neo-liberal government in the EU part of me thinks that when outside the EU the government could sign an even more dangerous deal with the USA. Though of course we could elect someone like Corbyn who opposes such a deal however once in place these things are hard to remove.
Currently, France are still against TTIP and could veto whilst Cameron is trying to drive it through saying it is good for Britain:
https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... trade-deal" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
However as we have the most neo-liberal government in the EU part of me thinks that when outside the EU the government could sign an even more dangerous deal with the USA. Though of course we could elect someone like Corbyn who opposes such a deal however once in place these things are hard to remove.
Currently, France are still against TTIP and could veto whilst Cameron is trying to drive it through saying it is good for Britain:
https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... trade-deal" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;