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Nesty
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yet more PC nonsense as the advertising standards people attack stereotyping adverts that show women doing the dishes and men drilling holes.
The big question is will dogs be allowed to advertise dog food?
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It won't end until men and women look identical in every way. Gender communism, as I've just thought it up to be.
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Reducing proliferation of adverts which influence children's views etc as they grow up is PC gone mad? As a man it is annoying when adverts suggest or assume I am a bumbling lazy idiot who can't do laundry and that women have to do it. If this ruling reduces the number of boys and girls who grow up thinking men can't do laundry and women have to then surely that is a good thing?

Lol, gender communism - hardly a modern phenomenon Shade. The outdated model of women staying at home looking after the house and kids and men going out to work to support the family is one of the most clear examples of communism going. Look at what such a 1950s family model entailed: sharing wealth, commune living, dividing roles for the 'family good', the more powerful demographic maintaining the status quo to ensure the weaker demographic stays subservient even if it means violence, etc. Soviet communism to a T.

And Nesty, of course dogs will be used in dog food adverts, and cats in cat food adverts, the same way women will be used in women specific adverts (tampons or period pain relief for eg) and men in men specific adverts (beard trimmers for eg). But for everyday unisex products it makes sense to use both men and women I would have thought.
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RegencyCheltenhamSpa wrote:Reducing proliferation of adverts which influence children's views etc as they grow up is PC gone mad? As a man it is annoying when adverts suggest or assume I am a bumbling lazy idiot who can't do laundry and that women have to do it. If this ruling reduces the number of boys and girls who grow up thinking men can't do laundry and women have to then surely that is a good thing?.
These adverts existed when I and my friends were young. I'm proud to report that all of us, to a man, can wash and iron clothes. There were those dark days when we just didn't believe, but somehow we overcame the stereotype and became the masters of our own destiny. I'm surprised nobody has contacted me for the film rights yet.
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Indeed! My two sons would be horrified if they saw their mother even attempting to cut the grass. They can wash dishes and iron. However my wife insists that it is her privilige to do the ironing for them. I must get her to watch less adverts and do want the PC police tell her to do
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Good to know your two personal experiences speak for the whole population.

The fact that such adverts exist is proof enough. Advertisers wouldn't use stereotypes all the time if they didn't think viewers believed or related to it, or if they didn't think they could persuade viewers.

If the only impact is to make a few sexist/out dated advertising executives change their ways then even that is a positive outcome.

And imo the 'backlash' by the anti-equality brigade is overblown anyway. It is not a blanket ban on stereotypes, just on certain scenarios and double-whammy stereotypes.

To quote Sky news: "For example, a woman with sole responsibility for clearing up family mess, a man failing to do basic household chores, or an advert suggesting an activity is inappropriate for boys or girls because it is often associated with the other sex."

I.e. a woman just cleaning is fine, as it is a human using a product for humans, but a scene suggesting women are the only ones in a family who should do cleaning is not fine.
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Only surprised nobody's mentioned Doctor Who, yet...
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asl wrote:Only surprised nobody's mentioned Doctor Who, yet...
women are not supposed to be able to use screwdrivers yet alone those of the sonic variety.
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asl wrote:Only surprised nobody's mentioned Doctor Who, yet...
Fact no one has suggests the RNF is more sensible than much of the internet!
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Wasn't presuming to speak for the population any more than you are. Imo kids learn gender roles at home, not from a 30 second add on tv. Would be a strange person who was persuaded by 30 seconds on tv over 23 hours plus at home.
As for Dr who. The clue was in the name. Time lord lol
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confused.com wrote:Wasn't presuming to speak for the population any more than you are. Imo kids learn gender roles at home, not from a 30 second add on tv. Would be a strange person who was persuaded by 30 seconds on tv over 23 hours plus at home.
As for Dr who. The clue was in the name. Time lord lol
Been plenty of women time lords!

When that is five 30 second ads every ad break every morning and evening it adds up. But yes, family more important. Though if society outside of the home is more equal then it may help children question their parents.
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I think you are transferring the elder generations viewing habits, to that on a younger generation. I would argue that very few are watching TV 'real time' and tend to either watch downloads or recorded, skipping past adverts. The programs aimed at the younger generation, likes of catfish etc, have adverts aimed at that age group and rarely if ever, show Mum doing the washing up and Dad drilling holes. Likewise when they watch online, adverts are targeted at them and from what I have seen, show very few gender stereo types).
I think the whole debate is largely meaningless if they believe the youth of today are a) watching the adverts and b) being influenced by them. Someone has to write something, so have decided on this.
Bit like the latest outburst from the Star Wars actor about lack of black people in GoT. Really strange how you very seldom if ever hear oriental people making the same complaint, or those of an Indian background lambasting in a similar manner. It is another bandwagon to jump on. What happened to the luvvies etc support pf black lives matter ? Oh yes Pres Trump gave them a new toy to play with. In time they will get bored with him and start on something else IMHO
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I agree, confused. The last few years it just seems like there always has to be something to campaign/complain about. In a way, it's become a bandwagon in itself. My theory: people are bored and don't have enough to do in their own lives, they've constantly got to get involved in others.
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Shade wrote:I agree, confused. The last few years it just seems like there always has to be something to campaign/complain about. In a way, it's become a bandwagon in itself. My theory: people are bored and don't have enough to do in their own lives, they've constantly got to get involved in others.
Nothing wrong with campaigning to help people you know or other people in your community. I would argue the worse behaviour is having no concern or empathy for the plight of others.
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RegencyCheltenhamSpa wrote: I would argue
You would. That's my point :lol:
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Shade wrote:
RegencyCheltenhamSpa wrote: I would argue
You would. That's my point :lol:
Good argument. Profound.
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RegencyCheltenhamSpa wrote:
Shade wrote:I agree, confused. The last few years it just seems like there always has to be something to campaign/complain about. In a way, it's become a bandwagon in itself. My theory: people are bored and don't have enough to do in their own lives, they've constantly got to get involved in others.
Nothing wrong with campaigning to help people you know or other people in your community. I would argue the worse behaviour is having no concern or empathy for the plight of others.
Th plight ?????? I find it hard to empathise or identify with an overpaid actor complaining about how they dish out vastly over paid acting jobs. Yep you are right, I have no empathy for their plight. Where is the similar backlash that the small regular cast (approx 12 at a guess)of Holby City has 5 gay characters in it, hardly representative pf the population, Oh wait a minute, most normal people dont care ..... Pity others wouldnt just have the same approach instead of starting a #spiritofsomething
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Plight remark was not about BBC casting - it was in response to Shade talking about campaigning in general.
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People look for a campaign. Where are the street protests about the white woman shot by US polce? Are none as it's not sexy enough. They don't actually care, they just think it's good to be seen to care. How may of the grenfell tower victims has Lilly Allen got staying with her? Would guess none but she sure likes to preach to us all. As if I drugged up alki is the messiah. God, Kensington town hall looked like Rourkes drift. In this life s#!t happens, move on
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confused.com wrote:People look for a campaign. Where are the street protests about the white woman shot by US polce? Are none as it's not sexy enough. They don't actually care, they just think it's good to be seen to care. How may of the grenfell tower victims has Lilly Allen got staying with her? Would guess none but she sure likes to preach to us all. As if I drugged up alki is the messiah. God, Kensington town hall looked like Rourkes drift. In this life s#!t happens, move on
There is understandable anger about the Australian woman murdered by US police.

You are missing the point of civil rights campaigning. Yes, on an individual one black man and one white woman being murdered by police are equally bad and reprehensible and viewed equally. But the Black Lives Matter protests were not about one individual, it is about the prevailing ingrained institutional and cultural racism in the US.

And your Lily Allen argument there looks like the ultimate "I'm alright Jack" socially immoral stance. The onus is not on Lilly Allen, or me, or whoever to home Grenfell victims - it is the role of Government, funded by society. And nothing wrong with celebrities and others highlighting where Government and society has failed and people being angry about it.

Same reason there is no conflict or hypocrisy in being a millionaire socialist. Through hard work and luck you could be a land-owning millionaire; that doesn't mean you can't act ethically, pay taxes, campaign for more equal opportunities, vote for parties who stand for those things.

That's what campaigns are about. When a local authority celebrates 'efficiency savings' which cause deaths and homelessness to their residents, using such savings to give tax rebates to their other residents, that is not something which will be fixed by Lily Allen housing a few displaced people, it will be fixed by cultural and institutional changes at a policy-making level; hence campaigns.
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RCS - latest shooting in US -not enough anger to get the celebs and politicians and rent-a-mob out on the streets.

Comparing one on one - I could be proven wrong, but doubt it, but more white people shot by police in USA than black. following your logic, does this point some some other kind of ingrained racism ? Merely using the reverse logic in that it is assumed that every shooting of a black person is racism while the shooting of a white person is police doing their job ???

Lilly Allen - She and her like speak from their privileged positions for nobody but themselves. It is by no way a case of I am alright Jack, it is a personal view that there is a certain section of society, egged on by Mr Corbyn in recent times, that always have to find someone to blame.. Exactly where in Grenfell had government or society failed? Building regs turned out to be not up to scratch. As in many other disasters, we learn from it and improve from it. IMHO the government have handled the fallout well. If some people object to travelling 2 miles to their place of work / school. There is not too much anyone can do for that, apart from magic up some houses that dont exist.If Lilly and her like feel so strongly that these people have been abandoned - do something more about it than take to twitter between her bottles of Veuve Clicquot. Fact is sometimes there is nobody to blame, just experience.
Millionaire socialists - I have zero time for anyone who lectures from a position of privilege (usually not from hard work), who campaign etc on their moral high ground, when that one thing they do posses, their wealth, could help them 'act ethically'. Maybe it is a case of hashtag overload, but they do take the p1ss.

celebrates ????? that would be the same for every council in the country then ? Lilly could make a start with a few. you really do swallow every bit of rubbish talked by some.
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confused.com wrote:RCS - latest shooting in US -not enough anger to get the celebs and politicians and rent-a-mob out on the streets.

Comparing one on one - I could be proven wrong, but doubt it, but more white people shot by police in USA than black. following your logic, does this point some some other kind of ingrained racism ? Merely using the reverse logic in that it is assumed that every shooting of a black person is racism while the shooting of a white person is police doing their job ???

Lilly Allen - She and her like speak from their privileged positions for nobody but themselves. It is by no way a case of I am alright Jack, it is a personal view that there is a certain section of society, egged on by Mr Corbyn in recent times, that always have to find someone to blame.. Exactly where in Grenfell had government or society failed? Building regs turned out to be not up to scratch. As in many other disasters, we learn from it and improve from it. IMHO the government have handled the fallout well. If some people object to travelling 2 miles to their place of work / school. There is not too much anyone can do for that, apart from magic up some houses that dont exist.If Lilly and her like feel so strongly that these people have been abandoned - do something more about it than take to twitter between her bottles of Veuve Clicquot. Fact is sometimes there is nobody to blame, just experience.
Millionaire socialists - I have zero time for anyone who lectures from a position of privilege (usually not from hard work), who campaign etc on their moral high ground, when that one thing they do posses, their wealth, could help them 'act ethically'. Maybe it is a case of hashtag overload, but they do take the p1ss.

celebrates ????? that would be the same for every council in the country then ? Lilly could make a start with a few. you really do swallow every bit of rubbish talked by some.
Every council would celebrate an underspend on a tower block refurb resulting from switching to cheaper less safe materials that causes fire to engulf the whole building? There was money and budget to do the job properly, they skimped, and boasted about skimping and now have been found out.

The inquiry will reveal whether the authorities ignored building regs or whether the regs were not up to scratch. In any case building regs are a minimum, not a target. When it comes to ny form of regulation or standards, decent organisations and businesses go beyond compliance and strive for best practice. For a local government to say "not our fault, we met building regulations with no desire to do the best we could for residents and dished the money we saved out as tax breaks and new pavements in tourist hotspots" is dereliction of their duty.

If people think that's a good attitude for policy makers to take, no wonder the country is going to the dogs.

What's your view on philanthropy then? Would you tell Bill and Melinda Gates to stop campaigning and investing to reduce or prevent malaria because you have zero time for them?

If Lily Allen, using her privilege, gobbling off on Channel 4 helps build momentum for a culture change in local government and national policy making so incidents like Grenfell (where concerns from residents were ignored for years) then that is a force for good.

Yes, looking out for other people and having concern for ones neighbours and compatriots may be something you don't like, but many people do have such empathy - deal with it.
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