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Winchester next please.followed by some proper footballers signing and not loanees.Jon Palmer wrote:http://bit.ly/NewCTFCDeal
is is difficult for clubs like ours to fully man a squad big enough with the transfer windows like they are without using loans.everyman wrote:Winchester next please.followed by some proper footballers signing and not loanees.Jon Palmer wrote:http://bit.ly/NewCTFCDeal
Agree.. rather good newsRobin wrote:Wow some turnaround, I really hope he does stay but this needs to be put to bed quickly. If he does sign then GJ deserves a lot of praise for the way he has dealt with this too.
Doesn't Boyler live with PB? There must have been some good talk over the toast and wheaties at breakfast
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PB must have pulled out all the stops and got some Crunchy Nut Cornflakes in with the promise that there would be plenty more. The real deal too, no own brand.Ralph wrote:Agree.. rather good newsRobin wrote:Wow some turnaround, I really hope he does stay but this needs to be put to bed quickly. If he does sign then GJ deserves a lot of praise for the way he has dealt with this too.
Doesn't Boyler live with PB? There must have been some good talk over the toast and wheaties at breakfast
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Plus, if it is a club with cash who are after him then this could be a great Agent tactic. Agent gets Will to sign on better terms with us and takes his cut. Then orchestrates a transfer fee and signing on deal with new club and gets more commission.
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Plus, if it is a club with cash who are after him then this could be a great Agent tactic. Agent gets Will to sign on better terms with us and takes his cut. Then orchestrates a transfer fee and signing on deal with new club and gets more commission.
Same as the Wes Thomas deal Crawley did, taking him for free from us and selling on for £200k in the same window. Only this time we take on the role of Crawley rather than the patsy like last time.
Same as the Wes Thomas deal Crawley did, taking him for free from us and selling on for £200k in the same window. Only this time we take on the role of Crawley rather than the patsy like last time.
Curious on why you think that Robin. You seem to imply that dropping him on Saturday had a part in WB changing his mind (if her does). It would seem that an improved offer was made (?), which would surely have played a part in a change in attitudes.Robin wrote:Wow some turnaround, I really hope he does stay but this needs to be put to bed quickly. If he does sign then GJ deserves a lot of praise for the way he has dealt with this too.
The leaving him out on Saturday was just childish and to the detriment of the team and the paying fans. - I would argue
You might argue, but GJ said WB's head wasn't right and he wasn't committed. You might argue that quite a few of the other players weren't either, but you can't really say that about the defenders we had on the pitch.Ihearye wrote:Curious on why you think that Robin. You seem to imply that dropping him on Saturday had a part in WB changing his mind (if her does). It would seem that an improved offer was made (?), which would surely have played a part in a change in attitudes.Robin wrote:Wow some turnaround, I really hope he does stay but this needs to be put to bed quickly. If he does sign then GJ deserves a lot of praise for the way he has dealt with this too.
The leaving him out on Saturday was just childish and to the detriment of the team and the paying fans. - I would argue
The loans come close to new season,we need to sign two or three permanent ones early.Nesty wrote:is is difficult for clubs like ours to fully man a squad big enough with the transfer windows like they are without using loans.everyman wrote:Winchester next please.followed by some proper footballers signing and not loanees.Jon Palmer wrote:http://bit.ly/NewCTFCDeal
Did we have our best two available CB on the pitch - I would argue we didn'tShade wrote:You might argue, but GJ said WB's head wasn't right and he wasn't committed. You might argue that quite a few of the other players weren't either, but you can't really say that about the defenders we had on the pitch.Ihearye wrote:Curious on why you think that Robin. You seem to imply that dropping him on Saturday had a part in WB changing his mind (if her does). It would seem that an improved offer was made (?), which would surely have played a part in a change in attitudes.Robin wrote:Wow some turnaround, I really hope he does stay but this needs to be put to bed quickly. If he does sign then GJ deserves a lot of praise for the way he has dealt with this too.
The leaving him out on Saturday was just childish and to the detriment of the team and the paying fans. - I would argue
Given GJ pre match interview, it was evident that he had someone in the cross hairs who would not sign a contract and given that, was not going to get on the pitch – I would argue.
His “head not being in the right place” – can be read and interpreted in many ways and is the only explanation we have got and from only one source. – I would argue.
I am beginning to wonder what sort of player we are now offering contracts to, if, in the managers view, they are not getting exactly what they want, they are not going to give 100%. I for one do not think WB fits into this mould. Surely if you believed you had seen this trait in a player, you would be very hesitant about offering a contract ? What if someone comes calling in August when the league has already started. Do we start dropping a player from the match day squad ?
In my mind, after 2 years you either trust a player or you don’t. If you have a player whose head ‘isn’t right’ because he is in contract talks, I would see that as a concern. Again, just what I think.
And il be the first to praise him for the record ben2Robin wrote:Wow some turnaround, I really hope he does stay but this needs to be put to bed quickly. If he does sign then GJ deserves a lot of praise for the way he has dealt with this too.
Same thing happened with Pell when he was getting interest from elsewhere, and with countless other players up and down the leagues. You're overthinking it.Ihearye wrote:Did we have our best two available CB on the pitch - I would argue we didn'tShade wrote:You might argue, but GJ said WB's head wasn't right and he wasn't committed. You might argue that quite a few of the other players weren't either, but you can't really say that about the defenders we had on the pitch.Ihearye wrote:
Curious on why you think that Robin. You seem to imply that dropping him on Saturday had a part in WB changing his mind (if her does). It would seem that an improved offer was made (?), which would surely have played a part in a change in attitudes.
The leaving him out on Saturday was just childish and to the detriment of the team and the paying fans. - I would argue
Given GJ pre match interview, it was evident that he had someone in the cross hairs who would not sign a contract and given that, was not going to get on the pitch – I would argue.
His “head not being in the right place” – can be read and interpreted in many ways and is the only explanation we have got and from only one source. – I would argue.
I am beginning to wonder what sort of player we are now offering contracts to, if, in the managers view, they are not getting exactly what they want, they are not going to give 100%. I for one do not think WB fits into this mould. Surely if you believed you had seen this trait in a player, you would be very hesitant about offering a contract ? What if someone comes calling in August when the league has already started. Do we start dropping a player from the match day squad ?
In my mind, after 2 years you either trust a player or you don’t. If you have a player whose head ‘isn’t right’ because he is in contract talks, I would see that as a concern. Again, just what I think.
My interpretation is that WB may have been badly advised by his agent, GJ has likely told him to stop messing us around and sign or we will withdraw the offer. GJ also dropped the player when told to speak with his agent, this has somehow brought everything to a quick resolution.
I'd also imagine any new deal will include a commitment to let the player move on if a realistic offer is received for a bigger club in league one or Championship.
I'd also imagine any new deal will include a commitment to let the player move on if a realistic offer is received for a bigger club in league one or Championship.
You might argue, but GJ said WB's head wasn't right and he wasn't committed. You might argue that quite a few of the other players weren't either, but you can't really say that about the defenders we had on the pitch.[/quote]
Did we have our best two available CB on the pitch - I would argue we didn't
Given GJ pre match interview, it was evident that he had someone in the cross hairs who would not sign a contract and given that, was not going to get on the pitch – I would argue.
His “head not being in the right place” – can be read and interpreted in many ways and is the only explanation we have got and from only one source. – I would argue.
I am beginning to wonder what sort of player we are now offering contracts to, if, in the managers view, they are not getting exactly what they want, they are not going to give 100%. I for one do not think WB fits into this mould. Surely if you believed you had seen this trait in a player, you would be very hesitant about offering a contract ? What if someone comes calling in August when the league has already started. Do we start dropping a player from the match day squad ?
In my mind, after 2 years you either trust a player or you don’t. If you have a player whose head ‘isn’t right’ because he is in contract talks, I would see that as a concern. Again, just what I think.[/quote]
Same thing happened with Pell when he was getting interest from elsewhere, and with countless other players up and down the leagues. You're overthinking it.[/quote]
Apols, genuinely did not remember Pell getting dropped while there was speculation re his contrcat
Did we have our best two available CB on the pitch - I would argue we didn't
Given GJ pre match interview, it was evident that he had someone in the cross hairs who would not sign a contract and given that, was not going to get on the pitch – I would argue.
His “head not being in the right place” – can be read and interpreted in many ways and is the only explanation we have got and from only one source. – I would argue.
I am beginning to wonder what sort of player we are now offering contracts to, if, in the managers view, they are not getting exactly what they want, they are not going to give 100%. I for one do not think WB fits into this mould. Surely if you believed you had seen this trait in a player, you would be very hesitant about offering a contract ? What if someone comes calling in August when the league has already started. Do we start dropping a player from the match day squad ?
In my mind, after 2 years you either trust a player or you don’t. If you have a player whose head ‘isn’t right’ because he is in contract talks, I would see that as a concern. Again, just what I think.[/quote]
Same thing happened with Pell when he was getting interest from elsewhere, and with countless other players up and down the leagues. You're overthinking it.[/quote]
Apols, genuinely did not remember Pell getting dropped while there was speculation re his contrcat
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Some key issues and thoughts (if Boyle signs the new deal - and I hope he does):
1. The CTFC fans will be very happy that Boyle is signing a new deal and no harm will have been done to reputations.
2. It puts to bed the rumours surrounding Johnson's relationship with Boyle and shows that despite any animosity that may have sprung up, Johnson does not have any grudge anywhere.
3. It puts a different perspective on the other muck that is being slung around as the rumour mill has been going into overdrive - and crucially, Johnson has not “lost the dressing room”.
4. Johnson has very clearly stated that in dealing with players deliberating on contracts that have been offered, he has decades of experience and knows how to handle them. He is a shrewd manager in that regard and has to make sure the deal is beneficial to the Club as well as the player.
5. In letting players go, Johnson also knows their values and will make sure CTFC does not lose out. We are lucky to have a manager with such experience, as we have let players go in the past, well under market value and we have been taken for fools. It won’t happen with Johnson.
6. Getting Boyle’s signature will be a very positive sign for others looking at contract negotiations.
1. The CTFC fans will be very happy that Boyle is signing a new deal and no harm will have been done to reputations.
2. It puts to bed the rumours surrounding Johnson's relationship with Boyle and shows that despite any animosity that may have sprung up, Johnson does not have any grudge anywhere.
3. It puts a different perspective on the other muck that is being slung around as the rumour mill has been going into overdrive - and crucially, Johnson has not “lost the dressing room”.
4. Johnson has very clearly stated that in dealing with players deliberating on contracts that have been offered, he has decades of experience and knows how to handle them. He is a shrewd manager in that regard and has to make sure the deal is beneficial to the Club as well as the player.
5. In letting players go, Johnson also knows their values and will make sure CTFC does not lose out. We are lucky to have a manager with such experience, as we have let players go in the past, well under market value and we have been taken for fools. It won’t happen with Johnson.
6. Getting Boyle’s signature will be a very positive sign for others looking at contract negotiations.
Nice to read a good, sensible post Lord.Lord Elpuz wrote:Some key issues and thoughts (if Boyle signs the new deal - and I hope he does):
1. The CTFC fans will be very happy that Boyle is signing a new deal and no harm will have been done to reputations.
2. It puts to bed the rumours surrounding Johnson's relationship with Boyle and shows that despite any animosity that may have sprung up, Johnson does not have any grudge anywhere.
3. It puts a different perspective on the other muck that is being slung around as the rumour mill has been going into overdrive - and crucially, Johnson has not “lost the dressing room”.
4. Johnson has very clearly stated that in dealing with players deliberating on contracts that have been offered, he has decades of experience and knows how to handle them. He is a shrewd manager in that regard and has to make sure the deal is beneficial to the Club as well as the player.
5. In letting players go, Johnson also knows their values and will make sure CTFC does not lose out. We are lucky to have a manager with such experience, as we have let players go in the past, well under market value and we have been taken for fools. It won’t happen with Johnson.
6. Getting Boyle’s signature will be a very positive sign for others looking at contract negotiations.
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Agreed. Lord E my ‘Poster of the Season’ - every post well thought out, reasoned, and with sensible conclusions.ctfc-fan wrote:Nice to read a good, sensible post Lord.Lord Elpuz wrote:Some key issues and thoughts (if Boyle signs the new deal - and I hope he does):
1. The CTFC fans will be very happy that Boyle is signing a new deal and no harm will have been done to reputations.
2. It puts to bed the rumours surrounding Johnson's relationship with Boyle and shows that despite any animosity that may have sprung up, Johnson does not have any grudge anywhere.
3. It puts a different perspective on the other muck that is being slung around as the rumour mill has been going into overdrive - and crucially, Johnson has not “lost the dressing room”.
4. Johnson has very clearly stated that in dealing with players deliberating on contracts that have been offered, he has decades of experience and knows how to handle them. He is a shrewd manager in that regard and has to make sure the deal is beneficial to the Club as well as the player.
5. In letting players go, Johnson also knows their values and will make sure CTFC does not lose out. We are lucky to have a manager with such experience, as we have let players go in the past, well under market value and we have been taken for fools. It won’t happen with Johnson.
6. Getting Boyle’s signature will be a very positive sign for others looking at contract negotiations.