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 Post subject: Skin in the game
 Post Posted: 10 May 2018, 19:27 
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So looking at the last accounts via company house who of the last round of appointed directors has skin in the game

The major players are Simon Keswick, Paul Baker , the trust and 2 companies
Then there are others but no mention of the new directors
Obviously the list is out of date as several of the shareholders have passed away but who are the major players now?


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 Post subject: Re: Skin in the game
 Post Posted: 10 May 2018, 19:52 
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andgarod wrote:
So looking at the last accounts via company house who of the last round of appointed directors has skin in the game

The major players are Simon Keswick, Paul Baker , the trust and 2 companies
Then there are others but no mention of the new directors
Obviously the list is out of date as several of the shareholders have passed away but who are the major players now?


Will investigate later.


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 Post subject: Re: Skin in the game
 Post Posted: 10 May 2018, 21:52 
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Current directors and shareholdings based on 2017 Q3 confirmation statement (https://tinyurl.com/y93e3lvz):

Paul Godfrey: 33,221 shares
Paul Bence: not listed as shareholder
David Bloxham (Thomson and Bancks): 667 shares
Clive Gowing: not listed as a shareholder
John Murphy: not listed as a shareholder.
Andrew Wilcox (LCI Rail): not listed as a shareholder.

So currently no directors named as major shareholder. We will have to wait until the next confirmation statement to see if anything changes.

Four biggest shareholders:

Leopold Joseph Nominees Ltd: 494,257. This holding company dissolved in 2017, so the next confirmation will indicate where the shares have been moved to. https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/comp ... 7/officers

Simon Keswick: also 494,257

Paul Baker: 379,852

CTFC Investments Limited: 371,013. This company is not listed on Companies House, but are listed on the Cayman Islands register, so when the new transparency rules come in to play we may find out more. I have an account on the Caymans Registry but it costs £40 to access company details which I am not going to do, but I can see them listed.

When asked about this by the Guardian in 2015 CTFC stated the shareholder in question lived in the Caymans: https://www.theguardian.com/football/20 ... -responses

Cheltenham Town Supporters Society Ltd: 166,544


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 Post subject: Re: Skin in the game
 Post Posted: 11 May 2018, 05:58 
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I believe there is an error in the listing put out by RCS

Leopold Joseph Nominees Ltd was a holding company owned by Simon Keswick, these shares and those shown as owned by Simon Keswick are the same holding


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 Post subject: Re: Skin in the game
 Post Posted: 11 May 2018, 07:50 
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leohoenig wrote:
I believe there is an error in the listing put out by RCS

Leopold Joseph Nominees Ltd was a holding company owned by Simon Keswick, these shares and those shown as owned by Simon Keswick are the same holding


I did wonder how a holding company dissolved in July 2017 made a confirmation statement in October 2017.

Leo - I searched through a lot of Leopold Joseph Nominees records and filings and saw no mention of SK.

However, half the company is owned by Leopold Joseph Holdings Limited and half by Butterfield Bank (now Butterfield Mortgages).

Looking up Leopold Joseph Holdings show that it is completely owned by Butterfield Holdings.

Meanwhile Butterfield Mortgages only shareholder is Leopold Joseph Holdings.

All three companies have the same four directors / non-executive directors, who look like brass plaque directors.

Given the only owners listed for each company are one another ultimate ownership cannot be deduced.

However, one potential link to S Keswick is there. Leopold Joseph is owned by Butterfield Hokdings. From 1980 to 1987 Butterfield Holdings was known as Matheson Trust Co Limited, and from 1987 to 2001 as Matheson Bank Limited. A very similar name to Matheson & Co Limited, for whom Simon Keswick is listed as a director, and which is owned by Bermuda registered (Singapore Listed) global corporation Jardine Matheson, which is controlled by the Keswick family with Simon’s brother Henry as Chairman.


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 Post subject: Re: Skin in the game
 Post Posted: 11 May 2018, 08:26 
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I am a simple peasant shareholder living in Cheltenham . Do i need to set up several companies to disguise my interest in Cheltenham Town F.C Ltd. or should I move the mattress where I have kept my farthings and florins for decades and move to the West Indies. Any advice from Regency would be appreciated.


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 Post subject: Re: Skin in the game
 Post Posted: 11 May 2018, 08:35 
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or you could have just looked at the significant control page at companies house and derived from that the date the one company ceased, was the day SK was notified as a person with significant control
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https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/comp ... nt-control


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 Post subject: Re: Skin in the game
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What a boring topic!


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 Post subject: Re: Skin in the game
 Post Posted: 11 May 2018, 09:05 
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Andy wrote:
or you could have just looked at the significant control page at companies house and derived from that the date the one company ceased, was the day SK was notified as a person with significant control
:D

https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/comp ... nt-control


Indeed but I enjoy going through the different companies and finding out the links.


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 Post subject: Re: Skin in the game
 Post Posted: 11 May 2018, 09:11 
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horlickfanclub wrote:
I am a simple peasant shareholder living in Cheltenham . Do i need to set up several companies to disguise my interest in Cheltenham Town F.C Ltd. or should I move the mattress where I have kept my farthings and florins for decades and move to the West Indies. Any advice from Regency would be appreciated.


Was easier when there were direct flights to Isle of Man and Jersey from Glos Airport, before CityWing went bust.


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vickeryc wrote:
What a boring topic!

Not for people who like the sound of their own voice. :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: Skin in the game
 Post Posted: 11 May 2018, 18:21 
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Nothing beats a roaring fire a nice glass of whiskey and a browse through companies house records


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 Post subject: Re: Skin in the game
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Ihearye wrote:
Nothing beats a roaring fire a nice glass of whiskey and a browse through companies house records

The long winter evenings just fly by! :roll:


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 Post subject: Re: Skin in the game
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Alf wrote:
Ihearye wrote:
Nothing beats a roaring fire a nice glass of whiskey and a browse through companies house records

The long winter evenings just fly by! :roll:

Yes, I'm sure they do - I must try it! :lol:


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