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All we need is someone who knows how to get the best out of the players we have. GJ has shown an inability to do that over the years in L2. The fact that PJ is to remain, would have you believe that bye and large, the board are content with this year's recruitment. Watching GJ on the touchline over the end of last season and the start of this. The fire seems to have gone out. Who knows why, but he didn't look as if he was enjoying it.
I think we had someone like that in charge at kick off on Tuesday.
Now we're scrabbling around to find someone equally as experienced. In my view, unlikely we will - at least not someone who also bring deep respect within the game, has a contact list as long as you're arm and cares deeply about and understands our football club
The more I think about this, the more this is like the whole brexit debacle. Didn't like what we had, only to find that finding something else as good isn't quite as easy as made out.
Now we're scrabbling around to find someone equally as experienced. In my view, unlikely we will - at least not someone who also bring deep respect within the game, has a contact list as long as you're arm and cares deeply about and understands our football club
The more I think about this, the more this is like the whole brexit debacle. Didn't like what we had, only to find that finding something else as good isn't quite as easy as made out.
I've got to be honest I will feel the same especially Milton it would be a massive mistake. I see no reason to appoint Gill other than he used to play for us, he no record of success and has never managed professionally it would simply be a huge gamble. Compare that to someone like Gary Bowyer who got Blackpool promoted and there is no case to answer.MittonRobin wrote:If either Milton or Gill get this job full time. You will see my season Ticket thrown on the pitch from the Car park the same day.RegencyCheltenhamSpa wrote:Up and coming, doing a good job down the road, realistic option, actual managerial experience.Robin wrote:Why Gill? He seems one of the least qualified.
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And no reason to appoint Carsley other than being a mate of the Chairman?
On Gill though, I take the point that he is one of many non-league managers doing a good job. Just happens to be one we all know. Hopefully some of the others will apply.
I would rather a manager who is currently employed who applies viewing it is a step up or promotion, rather than one who is out of work.
On Gill though, I take the point that he is one of many non-league managers doing a good job. Just happens to be one we all know. Hopefully some of the others will apply.
I would rather a manager who is currently employed who applies viewing it is a step up or promotion, rather than one who is out of work.
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I assume they can apply but I may be wrong. Good question though.Robin wrote:Genuine question but can managers under contract apply or would we not have to approach their clubs first much as we do a player?
Also, good case put forward for Carsley in the other thread Robin. The most exciting of the out of work/not currently a manager options for sure.
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Rule 1 as Chairman---------don't appoint a mate as Manager .
Rule 2 When Robin chucks his ticket away impose a fine for flytipping.
Rule 2 When Robin chucks his ticket away impose a fine for flytipping.
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Might be a bit soon for Jerry Gill but I wouldn't be unhappy at his appointment.
He was a good professional and a strong influence on the squad under Ward and it seems that his Bath team play attractive football, we could certainly do a lot worse with the likes of Curle, Slade et al being mentioned.
He was a good professional and a strong influence on the squad under Ward and it seems that his Bath team play attractive football, we could certainly do a lot worse with the likes of Curle, Slade et al being mentioned.
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If he can put out a Team of Jerry Gill’s, I will be happy.
I would be unhappy with Bowyer or Carsley, to be honest. Neither have shown any reason to me as to why they should be CTFC manager.
As for employed managers going for an interview, I would have thought it would be like any job in that they will go for the interview and if they are successful they'll either hand in notice to their chairman or, in this case, the club would have to work out compensation for him to leave immediately. Depending on how well the manager gets on with the chairman, he may or may not tell him he is going in for another job.
I don't think a manager applying for another job and going for an interview that is widely known as available is the same as tapping up a player or manager. Isn't that what happened with John Ward going to Carlisle?
As for employed managers going for an interview, I would have thought it would be like any job in that they will go for the interview and if they are successful they'll either hand in notice to their chairman or, in this case, the club would have to work out compensation for him to leave immediately. Depending on how well the manager gets on with the chairman, he may or may not tell him he is going in for another job.
I don't think a manager applying for another job and going for an interview that is widely known as available is the same as tapping up a player or manager. Isn't that what happened with John Ward going to Carlisle?
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Time to update the chant: ‘The manager is Jerry Gill, and the coach is Jerry Gill, physio is Jerry Gill, and the kit man Jerry Gill....we all dream of a staff of Jerry Gills, a staff of Jerry Gills, a staff of Jerry Gills.’Lord Elpuz wrote:If he can put out a Team of Jerry Gill’s, I will be happy.
I agree with you on Lee Carsley, but Gary Bowyer has a successful record of managing in this division. The fact he managed such a basket case club in Blackpool makes their promotion an even bigger achievement.Shade wrote:I would be unhappy with Bowyer or Carsley, to be honest. Neither have shown any reason to me as to why they should be CTFC manager.
As for employed managers going for an interview, I would have thought it would be like any job in that they will go for the interview and if they are successful they'll either hand in notice to their chairman or, in this case, the club would have to work out compensation for him to leave immediately. Depending on how well the manager gets on with the chairman, he may or may not tell him he is going in for another job.
I don't think a manager applying for another job and going for an interview that is widely known as available is the same as tapping up a player or manager. Isn't that what happened with John Ward going to Carlisle?
I do think Carsley was only mentioned because he was a guest of the chairman last week so people have put 2 and 2 together.
According to a tweet from Alistair Durden (Points West) this morning, he's spoken to AW and we've had a number of applications already and the club are going to take their time on an appointment.
I wouldn't actually be unhappy with Bowyer as such, but if he did leave Blackpool for personal or family reasons I'd question why he'd be pitching up here a month later. If he left because of Blackpool's off-field antics as I have seen then I'd have no problem.Si Robin wrote:I agree with you on Lee Carsley, but Gary Bowyer has a successful record of managing in this division. The fact he managed such a basket case club in Blackpool makes their promotion an even bigger achievement.Shade wrote:I would be unhappy with Bowyer or Carsley, to be honest. Neither have shown any reason to me as to why they should be CTFC manager.
As for employed managers going for an interview, I would have thought it would be like any job in that they will go for the interview and if they are successful they'll either hand in notice to their chairman or, in this case, the club would have to work out compensation for him to leave immediately. Depending on how well the manager gets on with the chairman, he may or may not tell him he is going in for another job.
I don't think a manager applying for another job and going for an interview that is widely known as available is the same as tapping up a player or manager. Isn't that what happened with John Ward going to Carlisle?
I do think Carsley was only mentioned because he was a guest of the chairman last week so people have put 2 and 2 together.
According to a tweet from Alistair Durden (Points West) this morning, he's spoken to AW and we've had a number of applications already and the club are going to take their time on an appointment.
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What is wrong with Jerry Gill Robin? Gary Johnson started at Newmarket Town. A good grounding counts for a lot.
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RegencyCheltenhamSpa wrote:Time to update the chant: ‘The manager is Jerry Gill, and the coach is Jerry Gill, physio is Jerry Gill, and the kit man Jerry Gill....we all dream of a staff of Jerry Gills, a staff of Jerry Gills, a staff of Jerry Gills.’Lord Elpuz wrote:If he can put out a Team of Jerry Gill’s, I will be happy.
That would take smoke and mirrors to achieve. But without the smoke.
He's doing a good job at Bath and he knows what the club is about. That is a solid reason. Certainly more solid of a reason than there is for employing someone like Slade or Curle. I feel like you just want a name for having a name's sake, the same as you want a proven experienced striker, even though Mo Eisa came in and was a huge success last season. Personally, I'd rather have someone that's hungry to make the step up, as many coaches have done in the past with little experience of management.Robin wrote:I've already stated numerous times why I wouldn't want Gill and yet to see any solid reason why he's even being linked other than he used to play for us.
Was he good mates with Cotterill when he employed him?everyman wrote:Paul Baker was friendly with Steve Cotterill,that seemed to work o.k.horlickfanclub wrote:Rule 1 as Chairman---------don't appoint a mate as Manager .
Rule 2 When Robin chucks his ticket away impose a fine for flytipping.
You couldn't be further from the truth I wouldn't want Slade here in a million years. I want someone with a proven record of success as this lessens the gamble which is what you are overlooking. Every signing and appointment is a gamble but you can reduce the risks by seeking out experience.Shade wrote:He's doing a good job at Bath and he knows what the club is about. That is a solid reason. Certainly more solid of a reason than there is for employing someone like Slade or Curle. I feel like you just want a name for having a name's sake, the same as you want a proven experienced striker, even though Mo Eisa came in and was a huge success last season. Personally, I'd rather have someone that's hungry to make the step up, as many coaches have done in the past with little experience of management.Robin wrote:I've already stated numerous times why I wouldn't want Gill and yet to see any solid reason why he's even being linked other than he used to play for us.
I also want someone with good contacts in the game and someone whom I hope can lead us back to league one.
You say Gill is doing a good job so please explain how, what exactly has he done to show he deserves the job? Your other argument seems to be that "he knows the club" which carries little qualification in my opinion, in fact quite the opposite I'd prefer a fresh start to some degree with Milton also being moved out although I'm happy for Downes and Book to stay.
Shall we concentrate on staying League 2 for now, eh?Robin wrote:You couldn't be further from the truth I wouldn't want Slade here in a million years. I want someone with a proven record of success as this lessens the gamble which is what you are overlooking. Every signing and appointment is a gamble but you can reduce the risks by seeking out experience.Shade wrote:He's doing a good job at Bath and he knows what the club is about. That is a solid reason. Certainly more solid of a reason than there is for employing someone like Slade or Curle. I feel like you just want a name for having a name's sake, the same as you want a proven experienced striker, even though Mo Eisa came in and was a huge success last season. Personally, I'd rather have someone that's hungry to make the step up, as many coaches have done in the past with little experience of management.Robin wrote:I've already stated numerous times why I wouldn't want Gill and yet to see any solid reason why he's even being linked other than he used to play for us.
I also want someone with good contacts in the game and someone whom I hope can lead us back to league one.
You say Gill is doing a good job so please explain how, what exactly has he done to show he deserves the job? Your other argument seems to be that "he knows the club" which carries little qualification in my opinion, in fact quite the opposite I'd prefer a fresh start to some degree with Milton also being moved out although I'm happy for Downes and Book to stay.
And I don't care whether that's with hoof-ball and a series of 1-0 wins from the dullest team in the division. The almost incessant demands from a minority of fans spoiled with success, to 'kick-on', play beautiful flowery football and sign marquee players is what in my view got us in this mess and prompted the board's hasty decision on Gary Johnson.
So I don't care if Jerry Gill's or anyone else's team plays decent football or have had 'success' in this division. Question is, can whoever is appointed keep us in League 2. That's all I want.
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What proven record of success has Carsley got?Robin wrote:You couldn't be further from the truth I wouldn't want Slade here in a million years. I want someone with a proven record of success as this lessens the gamble which is what you are overlooking. Every signing and appointment is a gamble but you can reduce the risks by seeking out experience.Shade wrote:He's doing a good job at Bath and he knows what the club is about. That is a solid reason. Certainly more solid of a reason than there is for employing someone like Slade or Curle. I feel like you just want a name for having a name's sake, the same as you want a proven experienced striker, even though Mo Eisa came in and was a huge success last season. Personally, I'd rather have someone that's hungry to make the step up, as many coaches have done in the past with little experience of management.Robin wrote:I've already stated numerous times why I wouldn't want Gill and yet to see any solid reason why he's even being linked other than he used to play for us.
I also want someone with good contacts in the game and someone whom I hope can lead us back to league one.
You say Gill is doing a good job so please explain how, what exactly has he done to show he deserves the job? Your other argument seems to be that "he knows the club" which carries little qualification in my opinion, in fact quite the opposite I'd prefer a fresh start to some degree with Milton also being moved out although I'm happy for Downes and Book to stay.
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You couldn't be further from the truth I wouldn't want Slade here in a million years.
You say Gill is doing a good job so please explain how, what exactly has he done to show he deserves the job? Your other argument seems to be that "he knows the club" which carries little qualification in my opinion, in fact quite the opposite I'd prefer a fresh start to some degree with Milton also being moved out although I'm happy for Downes and Book to stay.
I never said you did want Slade here. I can't imagine a single CTFC fan does.
Do I really need to explain how he's done a good job? You obviously know things so you know he's doing well there.
Yes, he knows the club, which is more qualification than Carsley has, in my opinion. Remember, until Carsley had two short spells as an interim manager, at clubs he was already at, he hadn't got any experience at that level either, yet apparently he's very good and good enough to be given the job here? Martin Allen had loads of experience, and Paul Buckle had quite a bit of experience too. Both of those didn't know the club and tried to do something they shouldn't have and screwed things up royally. Keith Downing was a great assistant, but struggled as manager, as many do. So I just don't understand how you can be so dismissive of Jerry Gill, because he chose to leave Wolves and get a management job at non-league Bath, but welcome Carsley, who has decided not to be manager, but an assistant.
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24 games as a manager.Robin wrote:He has limited success as I said earlier but at least he's managed at Championship level and had positive results with two different teams.
“Has managed some games” is a low barrier for success!
10 wins / 41.7% isn’t bad, but not much experience.
Don’t get me wrong, I think Carsley would be an exciting choice despite the dodgy ‘give it to a mate’ issue - just the way you hold Carsley up on a pedestal and dismiss Gill in such derogatory fashion seems a bit odd.
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