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 Post subject: Re: Fans back in stadiums
 Post Posted: 11 Sep 2020, 16:25 
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They were told early on that it didn't effect them, but were never told that even though they are likely to be asymptomatic, they could pass the virus on.


They weren't...??? I think that message was rammed home time and time again.


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They were told early on that it didn't effect them, but were never told that even though they are likely to be asymptomatic, they could pass the virus on.


They weren't...??? I think that message was rammed home time and time again.


If it had been rammed home, why did Matt Hancock et al suddenly talk about passing onto Granny in only the last couple of weeks and not before.


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I think there's a difference between official communication and what the press put out.

It's always been the case that kids can get it, and that's been pushed out by the Government since day one. It's always been assumed that kids aren't badly affected though, and this gave the impression that kids were immune.


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Young people are also bound to have the highest rates because they are being ordered back to schools, universities and offices by the Government.

Culture and generational wars are opening up as a smokescreen for the Government to mask its own incompetence.


I agree, too easy to blame young people. They were told early on that it didn't effect them, but were never told that even though they are likely to be asymptomatic, they could pass the virus on.

I think they should be assessing what to do based on the number of hospital admissions and not on the number of cases.


Completely. If hospital admissions and deaths are down then that’s all that matters.


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RegencyCheltenhamSpa wrote:
I do not think the government deserve such criticism for Covid. No matter what decision any government takes there are negative impacts. The problem is there are trade-offs to be made, but we don’t have enough knowledge or evidence to know what it is we are trading off. It is not just short term decisions about saving lives or jobs - the long term impacts of lockdown on mental health, life chances of kids who, and employment could be severe over the next 20 years but we just don’t have that data to feed in to every decision. It is clear we cannot just shut everything down indefinitely and hope for a vaccine to come along at some point, but then as soon as we allow any opening up people say the government have got it wrong.

I am looking forward to getting back in the office for a couple of days a week, as are most of my colleagues. Working from home is taking its toll increasingly as each week goes by.

Yes, in other respects the PM, Cummings and most of the Cabinet are corrupt, self-serving charlatans who have as little respect for British people as they do the Conservative Party whose honourable name they are dragging through mud. The tabloid reading voters won’t do anything about it, but I am confident that the Conservative Party - which is famous for being ruthless when decided to act in the best for the Conservative Party - will oust Johnson and Cummings at some point next year when they decide enough is enough and don’t want the Party name, reputation and honour sullied any further by the corrupt pieces of sh!t who are ruining it. But on Covid, no one knows how to square the circle and no one knows what decisions could have been better or worse. It is unfair to kick the Government over it.


Spot on in my opinion, apart from the honourable name bit about the Tories.


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RegencyCheltenhamSpa wrote:
Oh and laughable, no pathetically hypocritical, of old people to blaming young people so vociferously.

Climate change is a much bigger threat to the survival of humanity than Covid. Young people have been calling for action, more loudly each year as they are the ones who will be most severely impact by it. But politicians do nothing and old tabloid readers say it is made up or too difficult and young people should stop worrying and stop scaremongering.

Brexit will have the most severe impact on young people, who have had their freedom to study, live and work around the EU taken away in a vote they did not take part in, and they have the longest to live with the impact on jobs etc. Yet the old Blue Passport Dunkirkers tell them to stop worrying and stop scaremongering.

Covid impacts on young people less than others and is a shorter term issue. And now they are blamed for not acting, by the same people who take no action to tackle issue which will impact the most on young people.

To summarise, on the two longer term issues which will impact on younger people the most old people tell them to stop worrying and carry on as business as usual. And on the shorter term acute issue which impacts on young people the least they are told to cancel business as usual and start worrying.

I am sorry, but if older generations had shown young people more respect and done things to help rather than hinder future generations then maybe younger people wouldn’t be so carefree and disrespectful now. You cannot on the one hand ignore and tell young people to stop moaning about issues which impact them most and on the other demand they listen and act to issues which effect you most. It is hypocritical in the extreme.

The social contract between generations died due to inaction over climate change and then the Brexit vote.

So given thanks to you old people the world may be unliveable in 40 years and the economy might be screwed I’m jolly well going out for dinner and drinks tonight with my mate visiting from London.

And I’m speaking as a 35-year old who has at least enjoyed the good times since of the last 20 years, so I dare to think how teenagers must feel as they won’t even have the benefits I had.

What goes around comes around. Beds made. Fields sowed. Etc. Etc.


An interesting more rounded view of things, there's a lot to agree with in that


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I’m watching Gloucester rugby on TV. There are fans in the stadium! Hardly any but audible and shot of them celebrating a score.


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RegencyCheltenhamSpa wrote:
I do not think the government deserve such criticism for Covid. No matter what decision any government takes there are negative impacts. The problem is there are trade-offs to be made, but we don’t have enough knowledge or evidence to know what it is we are trading off. It is not just short term decisions about saving lives or jobs - the long term impacts of lockdown on mental health, life chances of kids who, and employment could be severe over the next 20 years but we just don’t have that data to feed in to every decision. It is clear we cannot just shut everything down indefinitely and hope for a vaccine to come along at some point, but then as soon as we allow any opening up people say the government have got it wrong.

I am looking forward to getting back in the office for a couple of days a week, as are most of my colleagues. Working from home is taking its toll increasingly as each week goes by.

Yes, in other respects the PM, Cummings and most of the Cabinet are corrupt, self-serving charlatans who have as little respect for British people as they do the Conservative Party whose honourable name they are dragging through mud. The tabloid reading voters won’t do anything about it, but I am confident that the Conservative Party - which is famous for being ruthless when decided to act in the best for the Conservative Party - will oust Johnson and Cummings at some point next year when they decide enough is enough and don’t want the Party name, reputation and honour sullied any further by the corrupt pieces of sh!t who are ruining it. But on Covid, no one knows how to square the circle and no one knows what decisions could have been better or worse. It is unfair to kick the Government over it.


Spot on in my opinion, apart from the honourable name bit about the Tories.


Don't we deserve a government that cares about people, not just major party donors and their inexorable cling to power ? of course there are imponderables and changing situation / lots of flux, but the handling of Covid and communication has been diabolical.

Elderly released back into care homes w/o testing ? ruthless.

The farce that is they world beating test and trace app (finally coming in Sept ? lets see.. promised in June). Shocking - don't blame the NHS btw, its Serco and other private contractors. And now the Govt disband Puplic Health England (maybe a good long term plan) though put in charge of the new replacement the very person that has completely failed in the T&T app development and roll-out and the call centre fiasco ... that inspires confidence does it not !

Testing fiasco : government chaos has caused a climate of fear that means millions scrambling for a test, resulting in chaos. Yes, its because of the demand.. but its cause and effect : chaos has created this demand. Self fulfilling prophecy.

Allowing Cheltenham races to go ahead ? scandalous.

The Cummings affair - downright contemptuous to every decent person that has made the effort to do their bit (like many of us) and abide by the rules for the health of others.. Contemptuous

The lazy political clap on Thursday night by the cabinet and MP .... hypocrisy when all have voted against the NHS in major recent parliamentary votes.

So, do the government deserve such criticism ? absolutely. A sh** tough job for anyone, true - and all governments make mistakes. But this lot - on every level, its quite shocking the poor communication, double standards, ineptitude, jobs for the boys. And don't get me started on all the nice £500K-£2M contracts that have been dashed out to the mates of Cummings and all.. conveniently during time when no public tendering is needed. Ferries and Brexit spring to mind.

And now we see the PM using the Trump playbook - fantastic trade deals, world beating test and trace, fantastic response blah blah....

Sure you cannot shut the country down. At the same time, you can't send all the kids back to school and have all the pubs and clubs and casinos open.... something has to be prioritised . but its money talks.... the gambling companies losing hundreds of millions, lobbying for casinos to be opened ... do we need casinos at this time ? just one example of skewed priorities.

Regarding young people : we've got to ask ourselves why our society has so many young people in low paid / zero hours / casual low paying service sector jobs in retail / fast food / entertainment. The current challenges really do expose the issue quite nakedly. Why has our society become so divided between the have and have nots ? this pandemic really does expose this to the bone. We need to start asking ourselves what kind of society our kids want to grow up in.


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RegencyCheltenhamSpa wrote:
I do not think the government deserve such criticism for Covid. No matter what decision any government takes there are negative impacts. The problem is there are trade-offs to be made, but we don’t have enough knowledge or evidence to know what it is we are trading off. It is not just short term decisions about saving lives or jobs - the long term impacts of lockdown on mental health, life chances of kids who, and employment could be severe over the next 20 years but we just don’t have that data to feed in to every decision. It is clear we cannot just shut everything down indefinitely and hope for a vaccine to come along at some point, but then as soon as we allow any opening up people say the government have got it wrong.

I am looking forward to getting back in the office for a couple of days a week, as are most of my colleagues. Working from home is taking its toll increasingly as each week goes by.

Yes, in other respects the PM, Cummings and most of the Cabinet are corrupt, self-serving charlatans who have as little respect for British people as they do the Conservative Party whose honourable name they are dragging through mud. The tabloid reading voters won’t do anything about it, but I am confident that the Conservative Party - which is famous for being ruthless when decided to act in the best for the Conservative Party - will oust Johnson and Cummings at some point next year when they decide enough is enough and don’t want the Party name, reputation and honour sullied any further by the corrupt pieces of sh!t who are ruining it. But on Covid, no one knows how to square the circle and no one knows what decisions could have been better or worse. It is unfair to kick the Government over it.


Spot on in my opinion, apart from the honourable name bit about the Tories.


Don't we deserve a government that cares about people, not just major party donors and their inexorable cling to power ? of course there are imponderables and changing situation / lots of flux, but the handling of Covid and communication has been diabolical.

Elderly released back into care homes w/o testing ? ruthless.

The farce that is they world beating test and trace app (finally coming in Sept ? lets see.. promised in June). Shocking - don't blame the NHS btw, its Serco and other private contractors. And now the Govt disband Puplic Health England (maybe a good long term plan) though put in charge of the new replacement the very person that has completely failed in the T&T app development and roll-out and the call centre fiasco ... that inspires confidence does it not !

Testing fiasco : government chaos has caused a climate of fear that means millions scrambling for a test, resulting in chaos. Yes, its because of the demand.. but its cause and effect : chaos has created this demand. Self fulfilling prophecy.

Allowing Cheltenham races to go ahead ? scandalous.

The Cummings affair - downright contemptuous to every decent person that has made the effort to do their bit (like many of us) and abide by the rules for the health of others.. Contemptuous

The lazy political clap on Thursday night by the cabinet and MP .... hypocrisy when all have voted against the NHS in major recent parliamentary votes.

So, do the government deserve such criticism ? absolutely. A sh** tough job for anyone, true - and all governments make mistakes. But this lot - on every level, its quite shocking the poor communication, double standards, ineptitude, jobs for the boys. And don't get me started on all the nice £500K-£2M contracts that have been dashed out to the mates of Cummings and all.. conveniently during time when no public tendering is needed. Ferries and Brexit spring to mind.

And now we see the PM using the Trump playbook - fantastic trade deals, world beating test and trace, fantastic response blah blah....

Sure you cannot shut the country down. At the same time, you can't send all the kids back to school and have all the pubs and clubs and casinos open.... something has to be prioritised . but its money talks.... the gambling companies losing hundreds of millions, lobbying for casinos to be opened ... do we need casinos at this time ? just one example of skewed priorities.

Regarding young people : we've got to ask ourselves why our society has so many young people in low paid / zero hours / casual low paying service sector jobs in retail / fast food / entertainment. The current challenges really do expose the issue quite nakedly. Why has our society become so divided between the have and have nots ? this pandemic really does expose this to the bone. We need to start asking ourselves what kind of society our kids want to grow up in.


So do we get fans in the stadium, or has your post got zero to do with that ?


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Spot on in my opinion, apart from the honourable name bit about the Tories.[/quote]

Don't we deserve a government that cares about people, not just major party donors and their inexorable cling to power ? of course there are imponderables and changing situation / lots of flux, but the handling of Covid and communication has been diabolical.

Elderly released back into care homes w/o testing ? ruthless.

The farce that is they world beating test and trace app (finally coming in Sept ? lets see.. promised in June). Shocking - don't blame the NHS btw, its Serco and other private contractors. And now the Govt disband Puplic Health England (maybe a good long term plan) though put in charge of the new replacement the very person that has completely failed in the T&T app development and roll-out and the call centre fiasco ... that inspires confidence does it not !

Testing fiasco : government chaos has caused a climate of fear that means millions scrambling for a test, resulting in chaos. Yes, its because of the demand.. but its cause and effect : chaos has created this demand. Self fulfilling prophecy.

Allowing Cheltenham races to go ahead ? scandalous.

The Cummings affair - downright contemptuous to every decent person that has made the effort to do their bit (like many of us) and abide by the rules for the health of others.. Contemptuous

The lazy political clap on Thursday night by the cabinet and MP .... hypocrisy when all have voted against the NHS in major recent parliamentary votes.

So, do the government deserve such criticism ? absolutely. A sh** tough job for anyone, true - and all governments make mistakes. But this lot - on every level, its quite shocking the poor communication, double standards, ineptitude, jobs for the boys. And don't get me started on all the nice £500K-£2M contracts that have been dashed out to the mates of Cummings and all.. conveniently during time when no public tendering is needed. Ferries and Brexit spring to mind.

And now we see the PM using the Trump playbook - fantastic trade deals, world beating test and trace, fantastic response blah blah....

Sure you cannot shut the country down. At the same time, you can't send all the kids back to school and have all the pubs and clubs and casinos open.... something has to be prioritised . but its money talks.... the gambling companies losing hundreds of millions, lobbying for casinos to be opened ... do we need casinos at this time ? just one example of skewed priorities.

Regarding young people : we've got to ask ourselves why our society has so many young people in low paid / zero hours / casual low paying service sector jobs in retail / fast food / entertainment. The current challenges really do expose the issue quite nakedly. Why has our society become so divided between the have and have nots ? this pandemic really does expose this to the bone. We need to start asking ourselves what kind of society our kids want to grow up in.[/quote]

So do we get fans in the stadium, or has your post got zero to do with that ?[


/Whilst we may Have opinions, maybe neither of us are medically qualified to make an informed decision based on expertise. You need a combination of epidemiologist/ virologist / healthcare provider / policy maker / deployment expertise to come to a conclusion based on fact, data, and review it regularly. Free of making decisions based on electioneering.
I have one of those in my family (Medical one) and I’m assured there are ways to strike a balance , but can’t have it all. Something will need to give when virus has high transmission from human to human.
So whilst I would love to be back in my usual seat for the umpteenth season , my opinion is not founded on expertise or current data, so is frankly not relevant. And if it was to prioritise schools and workplace vs entertainment and sports, I’d support that.


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Risk of allowing us back to watch is a function of probability and severity. Policy choices are about impact.

Let’s look at each in turn:

Probability: chances of getting Covid at WR. Really small. Chances of getting ill, much smaller. Chances or dying as a result, smaller still.

Severity: if the incredibly unlikely scenarios above do happen then illness and death around Cheltenham, overwhelming the NHS.

So, faced with incredibly small probability of anything happening, but high severity if it does then policy comes down to an impact assessment.

Policy will want to minimise the risk, by reducing human interaction. The question then becomes “is the impact of a lack of education and mass job losses bigger and more negative than the impact of fans not going to football matches”.


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Does anyone know if the club have applied to the EFL to have our Grimsby game included in the pilot crowd scheme that’s still going ahead.


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Does anyone know if the club have applied to the EFL to have our Grimsby game included in the pilot crowd scheme that’s still going ahead.


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Good question. The fact that Gloucester Rugby did, and that Glos seems to be an area not experience a rise in cases, means we should have a good chance of being accepted?


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Just seen more on this and looks like EFL applications are only for this weeks games. I hope they ask for same for next weeks too and we are on the ball to request.

Sounds like various factors taken into consideration like rise in rates of infection etc so it looks like it’s a weekly decision thing.


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At the top of the hill they will be aloud 1000 fans this weekend
They will be at 90% of crowd if they get 1000
I assume vince has made a donation somewhere
Will he wear a mask disguised as a tie


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At the top of the hill they will be aloud 1000 fans this weekend
They will be at 90% of crowd if they get 1000
I assume vince has made a donation somewhere
Will he wear a mask disguised as a tie

Who cares what the guy wears.
Lets hope his team have a cracking successful afternoon. As well as all the other clubs who are taking part in this trial.
That will make it more difficult for the government to maintain ban of fans attending matches, which is what most of us want.


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andgarod wrote:
At the top of the hill they will be aloud 1000 fans this weekend
They will be at 90% of crowd if they get 1000
I assume vince has made a donation somewhere
Will he wear a mask disguised as a tie

Who cares what the guy wears.
Lets hope his team have a cracking successful afternoon. As well as all the other clubs who are taking part in this trial.
That will make it more difficult for the government to maintain ban of fans attending matches, which is what most of us want.
I don’t want fans back if it means the virus comes back badly. Nothing against CTFC of course but getting to see a match in person is never as important as the health of our families and their lives. Why is/should football be any different to other social gatherings?


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I don’t want fans back if it means the virus comes back badly. Nothing against CTFC of course but getting to see a match in person is never as important as the health of our families and their lives. Why is/should football be any different to other social gatherings?


The strict safety protocol that the EFL will insist upon insists that fans are kept apart.
Probably safer going to a match than doing your weekly shopping at supermarket.
I do understand your concerns but life must go on. We cannot live in a bubble forever. If sporting stadiums are ensuring that everybody from staff to fans are kept safe it is a much better option than allowing same people to mingle in pubs or restaurants, which they can do.
And of course allowing people the opportunity to leave the house to go to a sports match is excellent for their mental health. Which is just as important.


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strict protocols only work when people carry them out

So the PL is down by £700 million thats only 1 player to some clubs
Perhaps some clubs will come to their senses or go bust
How often do we see clubs cheat run out of money and get bailed out
Little thought for the fans
So while I will be back when I can , Iremeber the 2 old blokes sitting behind me in February coughing and spluttering so badly I put my hood up
And yes I did catch it just a bad cold - 6weeks to get over it
At least it was before the races so unlikely to be Covid but I cannot get an antibody test - but thats another story


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Anyone see Neil Warnock has been diagnosed with COVID? That's a potential death sentence at his age and as cases begin to increase again how we will prevent players and staff getting it?


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Out of interest, how many CTFC fans here have had, or think they've had, a version of Covid so far?

I, for one, am 95% certain I have, the weekend before lockdown I was feeling a bit ill and hot and then it was gone after 2 days, except that I completely lost taste and smell 2 days after symptoms started. It took 10 weeks for anything to come back and then I couldn't taste anything properly. Now, nearly 6 months to the day later, it is improving and half of what I taste tastes right but probably only 10% of smell, if I can smell it at all. The rest of the tastes or smells in my life were exclusively like smoke for a couple of months, but are now chemically, plasticky and like dirty old truck exhaust fumes. So even if you don't get the illness bad initially, the long-term effects that might not be seen as bad are still extremely annoying, to say the least. I just wish more people would realise it's not all about the death figures.


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I haven't, personally - but I guy I worked with has only recently come out of hospital after 3 months, most of which was in ICU and a lot of that, on a ventilator. His consultant called him out of the blue earlier this week to check up on him - it turns out he's in the top percentile of 'recoveries' (i.e. he lived when there was an overwhelming chance of death.) He cannot speak highly enough of the NHS and the care he received, but he will need regular check-ups for years to come to monitor the damage done to his organs.

Our Tesco delivery driver went on a rant last weekend about how much nonsense this 'plandemic' is. "I mean, do you even know anyone who's had it?" he goes. Well, actually, I do...and, separately, so does my wife...husband of a friend of hers in London who also ended up in ICU. My story about Trev didn't sit well with his tinfoil hat belief system.


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Glad you're recovering, Shade!


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I'm sure I haven't, I'm rarely ill and I'm sure I'd notice if I was even slightly off.

I've been quite lucky as well as I don't really know anyone who's had it. The closest was an old school friend who's father passed away because of it.

The conspiracy theorists do my absolute nut in. What are they actually hoping to gain?


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Neither myself or my family have had it. A guy at work (from Birmingham) had a confirmed case but seems it was relatively mild and he was back working two or three weeks later.

I know of someone who was submitted to hospital with it towards end of Feb, doctors didn't realise it was COVID initially and he spent several weeks there, took him 2-3 months to be fit to work afterwards as he was constantly out of breath.


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Glad you're recovering, Shade!


Thanks! When I hear stories like the guy you worked with it seems nothing in comparison and most of the people out there getting on with their lives probably think it's nothing really, but after a while it really starts getting you down, not being able to taste food at all or properly, and then every smell that wafts your way, from your dinner to your shower gel, smelling like c!#p all the time :P

The conspiracy theorists are growing in number every day, and not just for Covid, and I can only put it down to the fact that the idiots of the world are finally finding something to band together on, and it makes them feel clever for once. I mean, do they actually think almost every government in the world has got together and hatched a devious plan to try and bankrupt themselves, with a few million other people that are in on it and "putting it on"? Sometimes I think the internet is a very bad thing...

And then there's just the ill-informed, ignorant, selfish morons like Noel Gallagher, spouting on about how he won't wear a mask on a train when asked to because it's against his liberties and if he gets covid then that's his problem. Instead of the headline "Idiot Gallagher brother doesn't know why people should wear masks, thinks he's clever but is just another twat potentially putting strain on the NHS" (granted, it is quite long), they present it like he knows what he's talking about and another bunch of idiots will believe what he is saying is right.


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It must be so dispiriting. It has been bad enough having not had it.

You are obviously correct in what you say. There is a fascinating documentary on Netflix called the Social Dilemma. The premise is essentially that social media and platforms are going to eventually destroy civilisation on the current trajectory. The experts interviewed have all occupied senior positions with these platforms or are highly regarded academics.


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Shade wrote:
Out of interest, how many CTFC fans here have had, or think they've had, a version of Covid so far?

I, for one, am 95% certain I have, the weekend before lockdown I was feeling a bit ill and hot and then it was gone after 2 days, except that I completely lost taste and smell 2 days after symptoms started. It took 10 weeks for anything to come back and then I couldn't taste anything properly. Now, nearly 6 months to the day later, it is improving and half of what I taste tastes right but probably only 10% of smell, if I can smell it at all. The rest of the tastes or smells in my life were exclusively like smoke for a couple of months, but are now chemically, plasticky and like dirty old truck exhaust fumes. So even if you don't get the illness bad initially, the long-term effects that might not be seen as bad are still extremely annoying, to say the least. I just wish more people would realise it's not all about the death figures.

with my better halves culinary skills, you wouldn't be complaining about those symptoms


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Hubert Parry wrote:
It must be so dispiriting. It has been bad enough having not had it.

You are obviously correct in what you say. There is a fascinating documentary on Netflix called the Social Dilemma. The premise is essentially that social media and platforms are going to eventually destroy civilisation on the current trajectory. The experts interviewed have all occupied senior positions with these platforms or are highly regarded academics.


Precisely the reason I don't use social media. Way too much false information and even deliberate disinformation which is used to influence behaviour.


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Thank God I haven't had it. I'm at very high risk with Copd, heart failure, diabetes, and vascular problems. I have been in lockdown since the end of January until about 3 and abit weeks ago.i was in hospital last week with a bad gallbladder infection I had 2 tests whilst in GRH both clear. I've been to supermarkets before and since. My point is I've followed all the government guidelines and so far so good therefore if I was offered a ticket for the home games coming up I would take them without hesitation.


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Trying to cut right down on facebook, and stop looking at comment sections altogether. For all of the good, like "live" sports updates, transfer rumours/deals, interesting facts and stats, and keeping up with what friends and family that you don't see that often are up to, there is so much bad. It is actually depressing and I've realised that it needs to go. Ignorance of other people's bizarre opinions is bliss. It's starting to feel like people should have to pass an IQ test and obtain a licence in order to be able to use certain parts of the internet.

It's all very well having an opinion, but when it's completely baseless... At least when the news gets Joe Bloggs' opinion on whether we should or shouldn't be drinking bleach to get rid of Covid-19, they can not show the most stupid opinions if they don't want to. Although I guess that's censorship and is probably a breach of Joe's human rights and a million people will march on Westminster in order to get his opinion aired before we're all dead from Covid, or from wearing masks, or from vaccinations, or from imminent environmental disaster.


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i tested positive for it despite showing NO symptoms whatsoever at any point (id come into contact with somebody who had tested positive). scary how this could be why cases are shooting up.


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T taste hasn’t been good for ages and breathing short but not sure I’ve had it, just unfit I think! My sister lost a nursing colleague to it at just 60 years old. There one minute, gone the next.


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Andy wrote:
Just seen more on this and looks like EFL applications are only for this weeks games. I hope they ask for same for next weeks too and we are on the ball to request.

Sounds like various factors taken into consideration like rise in rates of infection etc so it looks like it’s a weekly decision thing.


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Watched Bishops Cleeve v Ctfc u18`s last night, large turn out of teens totally ignoring the distancing rules they don`t understand they may transmit it to parents etc.


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Year 13 of Tommy Rich's aren't in school today because of a suspected case. Most of the kids seem to be meeting up anyway.


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