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 Post subject: The Great Reset - It's All Planned.
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There is no fuel tanker driver shortage.

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Not nice to see Malabus suffering from psychological breakdown. Is there someone we can call to get him some help?


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I’m not bothering to watch/listen to it but the media and public have caused the petrol station issues.


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ctfc-fan wrote:
I’m not bothering to watch/listen to it but the media and public have caused the petrol station issues.


Yup. Certainly not some illuminati/lizard/NASA/nwo plot to ‘reset’, whatever that means.


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Quel surprise! How little we believe in what our politicians say.

They are ones to blame with their incompetence. They all mouth and no trousers.


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Quel surprise! How little we believe in what our politicians say.

They are ones to blame with their incompetence. They all mouth and no trousers.
Where is the incompetence from the government on this?

There was no major issue with fuel tanker drivers and then the media whipped up a storm about it and suddenly every twat is queuing for hours to fill their tank up wherever they can. One driver told the radio station he’d been round multiple petrol stations to fill his tank up.

The lorry driver shortage is across the whole of Europe and doesn’t just affect the UK and they’re predicting next year will be worse due to a new EU law coming into force.

The only ones to blame for this petrol fiasco is the media and the stupid public, just like with toilet rolls previously.


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The impact of Brexit continues to unravel.

As a country we do not have enough people skilled, willing or otherwise to take on those jobs that were dominated by European tax paying migrants, in fields such as meat processing, fruit picking, transport and a whole range of other areas. The idea that unemployed Brits would step in and take over is a fallacy that we will now all pay for through our pockets as inflation will rocket, and we will see shortages on the shelves and in service area which will clearly outrage the average Brit's sense of entitlement. It won't matter soon though, as we are about to enter a deep recession and people won't have money and jobs will disappear as quickly as the 'free trade deals' we were promised.

What I find most ironic is that we are now willing 'to allow' short term work permits for people to (come) back for a limited time only. Why would they want to up sticks for a limited time to come to a country that through the ballot box showed the rest of the world clearly what it thought of 'outsiders'.

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The impact of Brexit continues to unravel.

As a country we do not have enough people skilled, willing or otherwise to take on those jobs that were dominated by European tax paying migrants, in fields such as meat processing, fruit picking, transport and a whole range of other areas. The idea that unemployed Brits would step in and take over is a fallacy that we will now all pay for through our pockets as inflation will rocket, and we will see shortages on the shelves and in service area which will clearly outrage the average Brit's sense of entitlement. It won't matter soon though, as we are about to enter a deep recession and people won't have money and jobs will disappear as quickly as the 'free trade deals' we were promised.

What I find most ironic is that we are now willing 'to allow' short term work permits for people to (come) back for a limited time only. Why would they want to up sticks for a limited time to come to a country that through the ballot box showed the rest of the world clearly what it thought of 'outsiders'.

Little Britain.


I can see the ‘short term’ visas being extended across more industries and made permanent. Then all parts of the economy that rely on immigration can go back to how they were before Brexit and the Brexiteers can claim we took back control.

The recent news about falling birthrates and the impact of that will be the next to bite in a few years. Even 20 years ago in GCSE geography we learned that British citizen’s birthrates were below the dependency ratio and that without immigration and the fact first and second generation immigrants have more kids than the UK average our ageing population challenge would be worse.


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Anyone in my generation (post-boomer...do we have a nickname...?) depending on the state pension is a fool (or very unlucky.) That will only get worse as fewer younger people feed in at the bottom. The state pension is untenable but it would be political suicide to suggest phasing it out entirely.

The army have been called in to drive ambulances in Scotland - how long before they're driving tankers, etc? Fascinating phone-in on Radio 5 on Friday morning...the had a whole bunch of truckers, driving instructors, haulage firm owners, etc. They were unanimous about sh1t pay and even sh1tter working conditions for drivers in the UK (£25-40 to park up overnight at a motorway services with no guarantee of being able to get a coffee, let alone a shower or meal; female driver facilities almost non-existent; completely inefficient warehouses delaying loading and uploading; etc.) The hauliers then said that the rates they are paid per load has not been increased by the supermarkets for years - but those same supermarkets are offering £40-50k salaries for delivery drivers to work from stores, with the drivers getting home to their families every night and infinitely better working conditions. Leaving driving artics for that is a no-brainer. They all fairly and squarely blamed the supermarkets for pretty much everything - but Brexit was only blamed by the companies as it's led to massive delays and price rises. They were all unanimous in saying that granting visas for European drivers was a bad idea - mostly because their training standards were rubbish and half of them cannot reverse a truck.

In terms of solutions, they agreed the biggest blocker right now is the backlog at testing stations. Driver training companies reckon they could put through twice as many drivers per week if there were more testing slots available.

My brother has been a lorry driver for over 30 years, all across Europe, North Africa and a 6 year stint in Canada/US - so a lot of the discussion wasn't news to me, but I maybe didn't appreciate how bad conditions are.


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SHANDY VOR wrote:
The impact of Brexit continues to unravel.

As a country we do not have enough people skilled, willing or otherwise to take on those jobs that were dominated by European tax paying migrants, in fields such as meat processing, fruit picking, transport and a whole range of other areas. The idea that unemployed Brits would step in and take over is a fallacy that we will now all pay for through our pockets as inflation will rocket, and we will see shortages on the shelves and in service area which will clearly outrage the average Brit's sense of entitlement. It won't matter soon though, as we are about to enter a deep recession and people won't have money and jobs will disappear as quickly as the 'free trade deals' we were promised.

What I find most ironic is that we are now willing 'to allow' short term work permits for people to (come) back for a limited time only. Why would they want to up sticks for a limited time to come to a country that through the ballot box showed the rest of the world clearly what it thought of 'outsiders'.

Little Britain.
Have you bothered to do your research?

There is a shortage of lorry drivers across Europe which is due to get worse next year due to a new law the EU are introducing.

However in the UK there is no shortage of fuel tanker drivers who have an extra qualification.

The issue is the media and the sheeple who believe all the c!#p then go and fill their tanks full of fuel when they don’t need it.


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 Post subject: Re: The Great Reset - It's All Planned.
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SHANDY VOR wrote:
The impact of Brexit continues to unravel.

As a country we do not have enough people skilled, willing or otherwise to take on those jobs that were dominated by European tax paying migrants, in fields such as meat processing, fruit picking, transport and a whole range of other areas. The idea that unemployed Brits would step in and take over is a fallacy that we will now all pay for through our pockets as inflation will rocket, and we will see shortages on the shelves and in service area which will clearly outrage the average Brit's sense of entitlement. It won't matter soon though, as we are about to enter a deep recession and people won't have money and jobs will disappear as quickly as the 'free trade deals' we were promised.

What I find most ironic is that we are now willing 'to allow' short term work permits for people to (come) back for a limited time only. Why would they want to up sticks for a limited time to come to a country that through the ballot box showed the rest of the world clearly what it thought of 'outsiders'.

Little Britain.
Have you bothered to do your research?

There is a shortage of lorry drivers across Europe which is due to get worse next year due to a new law the EU are introducing.

However in the UK there is no shortage of fuel tanker drivers who have an extra qualification.

The issue is the media and the sheeple who believe all the c!#p then go and fill their tanks full of fuel when they don’t need it.


So why did BP make the announcement last week about reduced deliveries to some forecourts?


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That’s one company, there are many others in the grand scheme of fuel deliveries. The stupidness currently happening is down to scaremongering by media.


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That’s one company, there are many others in the grand scheme of fuel deliveries. The stupidness currently happening is down to scaremongering by media.


Not disagreeing the current situation is due to media and idiots, but there is also a genuine issue which was impacting BP and who knows which other companies would have come out with similar statements.

No need to make this a false binary argument.


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That’s one company, there are many others in the grand scheme of fuel deliveries. The stupidness currently happening is down to scaremongering by media.


Not disagreeing the current situation is due to media and idiots, but there is also a genuine issue which was impacting BP and who knows which other companies would have come out with similar statements.

No need to make this a false binary argument.
Possibly none of them.

Why also is it Boris’s fault that the haulage companies haven’t had the foresight to tackle the impending shortage of HGV drivers head on? Only they can raise wages and encourage more people to move into the job.

It’s not the most glamorous of jobs and more people are leaving through retirement or new career paths than coming into it. Not the Governments fault.


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That’s one company, there are many others in the grand scheme of fuel deliveries. The stupidness currently happening is down to scaremongering by media.


Not disagreeing the current situation is due to media and idiots, but there is also a genuine issue which was impacting BP and who knows which other companies would have come out with similar statements.

No need to make this a false binary argument.
Possibly none of them.

Why also is it Boris’s fault that the haulage companies haven’t had the foresight to tackle the impending shortage of HGV drivers head on? Only they can raise wages and encourage more people to move into the job.

It’s not the most glamorous of jobs and more people are leaving through retirement or new career paths than coming into it. Not the Governments fault.


None of my posts have blamed the Government. Their have been failings from both businesses and policy makers. Again, it is not a binary argument.


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[quote="ctfc-fan"]That’s one company, there are many others in the grand scheme of fuel deliveries. The stupidness currently happening is down to scaremongering by media.


Not disagreeing the current situation is due to media and idiots, but there is also a genuine issue which was impacting BP and who knows which other companies would have come out with similar statements.

No need to make this a false binary argument.
Possibly none of them.

Why also is it Boris’s fault that the haulage companies haven’t had the foresight to tackle the impending shortage of HGV drivers head on? Only they can raise wages and encourage more people to move into the job.

It’s not the most glamorous of jobs and more people are leaving through retirement or new career paths than coming into it. Not the Governments fault.


None of my posts have blamed the Government. Their have been failings from both businesses and policy makers. Again, it is not a binary argument.[/quote]My first post was replying to Shandy who blamed it all on Brexit. You then jumped in two footed as you always do and picked up the mantle.


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Indeed. Your response to Shandy was taking the position that there were no underlying issues and the Government was blameless. So I had to jump in to correct.


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Why also is it Boris’s fault that the haulage companies haven’t had the foresight to tackle the impending shortage of HGV drivers head on? Only they can raise wages and encourage more people to move into the job.



Maybe read my post as to *why* the hauliers have not been able to raise wages...? It seems the supermarkets fix the rates and have not increased those rates for several years meaning the hauliers are having to foot the bill for even so much as an annual RPI rise for their drivers.


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But then the haulage association needs to group together and tell the supermarkets to stick it. They have too much power over suppliers and this will only ever change if they do. Same as with the farmers.


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And then if supermarkets have to put up prices consumers kick up a fuss. Perhaps the route cause is the time old problem that British consumers want something for nothing…we want free delivery, we want milk and meat at a price below what it can be produced for, we want to cut in-work benefits but then complain if the cost of living is too high, but don’t want employers like supermarkets to pay higher wages because we want cheap food, and so on.


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Quel surprise! How little we believe in what our politicians say.

They are ones to blame with their incompetence. They all mouth and no trousers.
Where is the incompetence from the government on this?

There was no major issue with fuel tanker drivers and then the media whipped up a storm about it and suddenly every twat is queuing for hours to fill their tank up wherever they can. One driver told the radio station he’d been round multiple petrol stations to fill his tank up.

The lorry driver shortage is across the whole of Europe and doesn’t just affect the UK and they’re predicting next year will be worse due to a new EU law coming into force.

The only ones to blame for this petrol fiasco is the media and the stupid public, just like with toilet rolls previously.


They have known about the problem since 2016 (there was a report which predicted this situation) but did absolutely nothing (there is your incompetence) Very few of the reports mention the real company involved which is Hoyer. They have squeezed out as much profit as they can and not invested in recruiting new staff. They thought the source of cheap labour was going to last forever. I am pleased at long last the chickens have come home to roost.

The reason for the panic is that nobody believes anything this Government says. They are only interested in one thing and that is themselves.


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the route cause


[shudder]

But I do agree. Consumers want ever-decreasing prices on the shelves and then complain bitterly about decreasing quality. The example you often use of chicken is a good one: you can buy a whole chicken, big enough to feed a family of four, for about £2.50. If you're on a low income, it's a no-brainer. Those of us who can afford it, pay £10 for a corn-fed, outdoor-reared chicken that tastes infinitely better - but that's easy for us who can afford it to say.

CPI increases of the scale that would have to happen would be impossible for the poorest to stomach (pun intended.)


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The impact of Brexit continues to unravel.

As a country we do not have enough people skilled, willing or otherwise to take on those jobs that were dominated by European tax paying migrants, in fields such as meat processing, fruit picking, transport and a whole range of other areas. The idea that unemployed Brits would step in and take over is a fallacy that we will now all pay for through our pockets as inflation will rocket, and we will see shortages on the shelves and in service area which will clearly outrage the average Brit's sense of entitlement. It won't matter soon though, as we are about to enter a deep recession and people won't have money and jobs will disappear as quickly as the 'free trade deals' we were promised.

What I find most ironic is that we are now willing 'to allow' short term work permits for people to (come) back for a limited time only. Why would they want to up sticks for a limited time to come to a country that through the ballot box showed the rest of the world clearly what it thought of 'outsiders'.

Little Britain.
Have you bothered to do your research?

There is a shortage of lorry drivers across Europe which is due to get worse next year due to a new law the EU are introducing.

However in the UK there is no shortage of fuel tanker drivers who have an extra qualification.

The issue is the media and the sheeple who believe all the c!#p then go and fill their tanks full of fuel when they don’t need it.

There may well be a shortage of drivers across Europe but it clearly isn't a problem to the extent that it is in the U.K.

Shandy raises valid points - there is a shortage of workers in hospitality, care, fruit picking, HGV drivers among others - are the native workers going to fill these positions as we were told pre-Brexit? If so, will they demand higher wages and as RCS mentions is the British consumer happy to pay the increased prices that result?

It all looks an almighty mess to me.


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The EU have a shortage of HGV drivers of around 400,000 and this will only get worse next year. I believe Germany alone has a shortage of around 80,000 so it simply cannot be attributed solely to Brexit.

However the UK does not have a shortage of ADR drivers which is the real point regarding fuel deliveries.


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The EU have a shortage of HGV drivers of around 400,000 and this will only get worse next year. I believe Germany alone has a shortage of around 80,000 so it simply cannot be attributed solely to Brexit.

However the UK does not have a shortage of ADR drivers which is the real point regarding fuel deliveries.

It may do but it certainly isn't causing any problems like those seen in the UK of late!


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But the fuel problems are public made. If it had been a tanker driver issue the problem of fuel deliveries would have been getting worse over a longer period of time, this has happened almost overnight because the general public are thick and panic at the slightest thing.


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But the fuel problems are public made. If it had been a tanker driver issue the problem of fuel deliveries would have been getting worse over a longer period of time, this has happened almost overnight because the general public are thick and panic at the slightest thing.


Yes idiots panicked egged on by the media, but that panic only started after genuine smaller scale concerns:

“BP and Exxon Mobil Corp. were among companies saying the driver shortage had affected operations at their gas stations, while EG Group said it would limit customers to 30 pounds ($41) of fuel, enough to fill about one-third of a tank.”

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... uel-grades


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“In a joint statement from companies including Shell, ExxonMobil and Greenergy, the industry reiterated that pressures on supply were being caused by "temporary spikes in customer demand - not a national shortage of fuel".”

PRA chairman Brian Madderson told the BBC the shortages were down to "panic buying, pure and simple", with oil companies prioritising keeping motorway service station pumps topped up.


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Just caught sight of the front page of todays Sun. Hardly doing anything to help the issue. Instead of "THERE IS NO FUEL SHORTAGE, ONLY BUY WHEN YOU NEED", it's "FUEL SHORTAGE. PUNCH UPS AT THE PUMPS" and other such unhelpful balls.


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“In a joint statement from companies including Shell, ExxonMobil and Greenergy, the industry reiterated that pressures on supply were being caused by "temporary spikes in customer demand - not a national shortage of fuel".”

PRA chairman Brian Madderson told the BBC the shortages were down to "panic buying, pure and simple", with oil companies prioritising keeping motorway service station pumps topped up.


Correct. I have never suggested otherwise.


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But the fuel problems are public made. If it had been a tanker driver issue the problem of fuel deliveries would have been getting worse over a longer period of time, this has happened almost overnight because the general public are thick and panic at the slightest thing.


The reason for it is the public have lost all trust in this Government. Whatever they say, the public just doesn't believe them.

Now it is case of believing whatever they read on internet. The newspapers specialise in whipping up the hysteria. In a few days, this panic will be over and things will get back to normal.

No doubt, there will be another one coming along before Xmas.


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Thing is it’s not the Government, it’s the media; the BBC, papers, all of them.


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The Government talking about drafting in the army doesn’t do much to play down the situation…


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To reassure all the idiots racing to the pumps with Jerry cans.


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We filled up this evening (as normal, when in the red zone, not panicking) and the guy in front of me paid around £15 for his fuel.

It made me think whether rather than some places capping how much you can buy, there should instead be a minimum. Say a minimum spend of £40, then all those people just topping up to be safe will be prevented from buying until they actually need to.


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