New stand development

[Robin]

This cost £10million apparently, very concerning as it's too small for us but the off the field revenue would certainly match what our board want.

[HamTown]

I wonder if it would be possible to get accommodation rather than so heavy on the executive boxes. Not sure if it's practical or not but feel like social and business habits seem to have changed so much in the last 10 years and you can actually guarantee the income from people needing somewhere to live!

[RegencyCheltenhamSpa]

This cost £10million apparently, very concerning as it's too small for us but the off the field revenue would certainly match what our board want.

Doesn’t look to be too many boxes, and doesn’t look to be any conference/event/commercial/ leisure space from memory of visiting the ground

[RegencyCheltenhamSpa]

I wonder if it would be possible to get accommodation rather than so heavy on the executive boxes. Not sure if it's practical or not but feel like social and business habits seem to have changed so much in the last 10 years and you can actually guarantee the income from people needing somewhere to live!

Perhaps both. They are two different things and room for both in the right development.

[asl]

Yea, using Northampton Town as an example of building a new stand might not be a great model...

[Ihearye]

Oh as we are drawing up a wish list, can I ask for the pints that fill up from bottom of the glass.

[RegencyCheltenhamSpa]

Oh as we are drawing up a wish list, can I ask for the pints that fill up from bottom of the glass.

Drone delivery to your seat. Takes your empty in return for a freshly poured.

[ctfc-fan]

Yea, using Northampton Town as an example of building a new stand might not be a great model...

Beat me to it!

That all seems to have gone very quiet. I can’t believe fraud charges haven’t been brought.

[Ihearye]

Oh as we are drawing up a wish list, can I ask for the pints that fill up from bottom of the glass.

Drone delivery to your seat. Takes your empty in return for a freshly poured.

If not overly expensive, yes please

[Ihearye]

Anyways, about this new stand .....

[Robin]

Northampton new stand opens fully early 2025, they have huge banqueting and conference suites inside that building. It's poor by their fans though and they feel really disappointed but their board suggest it will make them competitive in league one due to off the field revenue generation.

[ctfc-fan]

Northampton new stand opens fully early 2025, they have huge banqueting and conference suites inside that building. It's poor by their fans though and they feel really disappointed but their board suggest it will make them competitive in league one due to off the field revenue generation.

But they scammed the council to get it for free! The council should order it to be repaid in full.

[paperboy]

Sneaking this in

Forest Green Rovers get go-ahead to build new 'eco' stadium off M5

https://www.gloucestershirelive.co.uk/n ... ad-9765517

[Robin]

They are beginning to compete with us for fans from Gloucester. All the more reason we need our new stand sooner rather than later to ensure we keep the better facilities.

[longmover]

They are beginning to compete with us for fans from Gloucester. All the more reason we need our new stand sooner rather than later to ensure we keep the better facilities.

We can't compete with a brand new family friendly facility but fgr are a total circus and these new 'supporters' will soon realise their money is better spent else ware. .

[Robin]

Our new stand is likely to be almost as big as their entire ground so I do think we can compete but don't give floating fans a decision to make. Our facilities are generally pretty poor for the level we have opportunity to get ahead or fall behind FGR depending upon timings.

[asl]

Our new stand is likely to be almost as big as their entire ground

The difference is, they have planning permission to build their new ground while our new stand is little more than a wet dream on a fan's forum.

[horlickfanclub]

Moving a ground eight miles on to a green field site should not be allowed. Football fans snipe at MK but this seems to not get the same attention.It is franchise football. It is awful. Nailsworth lose their club to a housing estate and productive green land is lost to a fake "eco" man. It should read Ego man. I wonder how many turbines he will apply for. Happily eco CTFC are ahead of him on solar panels. They should change the name to Forest Lost Robbers.

[Jerry St Clair]

The thing I can’t get my head around is building an eco stadium next to a motorway junction in the middle of nowhere meaning the vast majority of people will need to get there using the most inefficient, environmentally destructive means of travel possible - cars.

Unless I’ve missed a major active travel, mass transit event to this?

[Shade]

The thing I can’t get my head around is building an eco stadium next to a motorway junction in the middle of nowhere meaning the vast majority of people will need to get there using the most inefficient, environmentally destructive means of travel possible - cars.

Unless I’ve missed a major active travel, mass transit event to this?

Just another part of Vince's plan, isn't it? He will literally be earning more money as Ecotricity customers charge their soon to be almost mandatory electric cars to go to Ecotricity FC games.

[Robin]

The thing I can’t get my head around is building an eco stadium next to a motorway junction in the middle of nowhere meaning the vast majority of people will need to get there using the most inefficient, environmentally destructive means of travel possible - cars.

Unless I’ve missed a major active travel, mass transit event to this?

I thought the idea was two fold, firstly they will gain more support from Stroud and southern part of Gloucester as it's more accessible. Secondly it's part of a wider eco-friendly business park which the clubs owner will benefit from.

[Robin]

Our new stand is likely to be almost as big as their entire ground

The difference is, they have planning permission to build their new ground while our new stand is little more than a wet dream on a fan's forum.

Oh I agree but the new stand is at least on the horizon and a clear commitment as part of any likely investment. I still can't see it happening for at least three years but then FGR is probably on a similar timeframe.

[Artemis]

Moving a ground eight miles on to a green field site should not be allowed. Football fans snipe at MK but this seems to not get the same attention.It is franchise football. It is awful. Nailsworth lose their club to a housing estate and productive green land is lost to a fake "eco" man. It should read Ego man. I wonder how many turbines he will apply for. Happily eco CTFC are ahead of him on solar panels. They should change the name to Forest Lost Robbers.

8 miles in the same county and local government district, Vs 80 odd miles between Wimbledon and MK.
Hardly comparable.

[Wellwisher]

Moving a ground eight miles on to a green field site should not be allowed. Football fans snipe at MK but this seems to not get the same attention.It is franchise football. It is awful. Nailsworth lose their club to a housing estate and productive green land is lost to a fake "eco" man. It should read Ego man. I wonder how many turbines he will apply for. Happily eco CTFC are ahead of him on solar panels. They should change the name to Forest Lost Robbers.

8 miles in the same county and local government district, Vs 80 odd miles between Wimbledon and MK.
Hardly comparable.

It's comparable in one key respect.

Moving Wimbledon to MK was NEVER about club sustainability etc. Rather it was all a property play. That is, ASDA wanted permission to build a huge Superstore on a new site on the edge of town. This was continuously denied by the Council, on the basis that the place already had two or three others of those. Until some clever consultant argued that if the developers were also to provide an on-site "community amenity" for the city [sic], the supermarket should be allowed.

And what better amenity to put the city on the map than an FA Cup winning/PL football club, in a brand new 30k seater stadium? At which point enter Greasey Pete Winkelman and the "MK Dons". (Amongst other proposals, they had previously tried to make them the "Dublin City Dons" until that was stopped. Yes, seriously, Dublin. )

Which is why Vince is hoping that his world-first, wooden eco-stadium will distract attention from other aspects of his plans. Amongst others, these include:
1. What is wrong with FGR's present ground, seeing as its capacity is two or three times their present crowds?
2. With the New Lawn only being 18 years old, it is still nowhere near paying off its original carbon footprint, so why replace it?
3. The NL is in the town, not a massive industrial estate away from its original home town (or any other town);
4. Who will benefit financially from the houses which will replace the NL? (I think we know the answer to that)
5. Why build this new estate so far from public transport, including trains, meaning that it will be dependant upon trucks and cars etc for access and use? Cheap land perhaps?

Then again, why should we expect anything different from that a-hole? I mean, did anyone see his appearance on Question Time, where inter alia he gave us all the benefit of his wisdom that the very wealthy should all pay far more taxes to provide services to the poorer people in society?

Unfortunately he omitted to mention that he himself is reportedly a multi-millionaire who lives in a castle, while receiving his lavish remuneration from his company not in the form of salary, bonuses or share dividends etc, like all the rest of us. Oh no, he instead receives interest-free "loans" which, you won't be surprised to hear, are not taxable.

Complete. Fcuking. Hypocrite.

[ctfc-fan]

Moving a ground eight miles on to a green field site should not be allowed. Football fans snipe at MK but this seems to not get the same attention.It is franchise football. It is awful. Nailsworth lose their club to a housing estate and productive green land is lost to a fake "eco" man. It should read Ego man. I wonder how many turbines he will apply for. Happily eco CTFC are ahead of him on solar panels. They should change the name to Forest Lost Robbers.

8 miles in the same county and local government district, Vs 80 odd miles between Wimbledon and MK.
Hardly comparable.

It's comparable in one key respect.

Moving Wimbledon to MK was NEVER about club sustainability etc. Rather it was all a property play. That is, ASDA wanted permission to build a huge Superstore on a new site on the edge of town. This was continuously denied by the Council, on the basis that the place already had two or three others of those. Until some clever consultant argued that if the developers were also to provide an on-site "community amenity" for the city [sic], the supermarket should be allowed.

And what better amenity to put the city on the map than an FA Cup winning/PL football club, in a brand new 30k seater stadium? At which point enter Greasey Pete Winkelman and the "MK Dons". (Amongst other proposals, they had previously tried to make them the "Dublin City Dons" until that was stopped. Yes, seriously, Dublin. )

Which is why Vince is hoping that his world-first, wooden eco-stadium will distract attention from other aspects of his plans. Amongst others, these include:
1. What is wrong with FGR's present ground, seeing as its capacity is two or three times their present crowds?
2. With the New Lawn only being 18 years old, it is still nowhere near paying off its original carbon footprint, so why replace it?
3. The NL is in the town, not a massive industrial estate away from its original home town (or any other town);
4. Who will benefit financially from the houses which will replace the NL? (I think we know the answer to that)
5. Why build this new estate so far from public transport, including trains, meaning that it will be dependant upon trucks and cars etc for access and use? Cheap land perhaps?

Then again, why should we expect anything different from that a-hole? I mean, did anyone see his appearance on Question Time, where inter alia he gave us all the benefit of his wisdom that the very wealthy should all pay far more taxes to provide services to the poorer people in society?

Unfortunately he omitted to mention that he himself is reportedly a multi-millionaire who lives in a castle, while receiving his lavish remuneration from his company not in the form of salary, bonuses or share dividends etc, like all the rest of us. Oh no, he instead receives interest-free "loans" which, you won't be surprised to hear, are not taxable.

Complete. Fcuking. Hypocrite.

Loans from a company to a director are taxable if not repaid within 9 months of year end, so technically that wouldn’t be allowed but knowing that pr1ck something dodgy will be going on.

[Jerry St Clair]

6200 at Doncaster today.

They’re a club who traditionally are a Division 4 team, occasionally getting up into the third tier, occasionally dropping into non-league in their recent history. Not a million miles away from a certain club in Gloucestershire.

Yes, they’re doing well this season but today’s game, was played in filthy weather against unattractive opposition and they still got probably double the attendance we would get at WR for the return fixture.

The difference? A modern stadium with excellent facilities. Just shows.

[London Exile]

Our home attendances haven’t been too bad but for the club to remain competitive in the EFL it’s imperative any new owners can address the ground & training ground developments.
As has been said many a time, the PRE & Main Stand need to be suitable for modern day football but to do so we’ll need to work with the council and obtain extra land from Parklands & Cakebridge sites to enable such development.
I’d love to see the ground become a real focal point and hub for the local area.

[paperboy]

There might be a secret plan for us to move to a new site maybe near the airport which is up for sale and well positioned.
Our current site isn't great geographically and would be better used for housing....or maybe a builders merchant would like to move there from their current unsuitable prime town centre site.
Not sure anyone would spend millions on a new stand at our current leasehold site which has only 70+? years to run.

Pure guesswork on my part.

[Shade]

Personally, I see if the right person comes in, I can see them buying the ground, Cakebridge and Parklands from the council as part of the Grand Plan.

Again, pure guesswork, but that'd be a decent sized site overall.

[London Exile]

I know it’s extremely unlikely but even if there were funds available, there isn’t that much land around for a new stadium, certainly not centralish and a lot of the land around the golden valley is going to be costly as it’s earmarked for development (cyber hub, housing etc)
If the club could purchase Cakebridge & Parklands, it’s a good sized site like Shade said, which CTFC could in turn sell some off for housing and use those funds for stadium development.
I think the same was said at the training ground. I think that’s a win for the council too, a healthy football club representing the town and local area.

Fingers crossed we can find the new owner or owners to make it happen

[everyman]

I know it’s extremely unlikely but even if there were funds available, there isn’t that much land around for a new stadium, certainly not centralish and a lot of the land around the golden valley is going to be costly as it’s earmarked for development (cyber hub, housing etc)
If the club could purchase Cakebridge & Parklands, it’s a good sized site like Shade said, which CTFC could in turn sell some off for housing and use those funds for stadium development.
I think the same was said at the training ground. I think that’s a win for the council too, a healthy football club representing the town and local area.

Fingers crossed we can find the new owner or owners to make it happen

As the council own most of the land it would be ideal if they built a new office at Whaddon rd. incorporating a new pitch length stand with plenty of office space to let and another stand incorporating the bowling club with an indoor all year round facility.( We are allowed to dream ).

[Fuller]

Personally, I see if the right person comes in, I can see them buying the ground, Cakebridge and Parklands from the council as part of the Grand Plan.

Again, pure guesswork, but that'd be a decent sized site overall.

That would be the ideal scenario, but how many years would it take the council to sort that lot out?

[Robin]

If the investment is there I think we could move quite quickly with purchasing Parklands and doing the home end. Would love to see us put a new 2000 seater behind the goal, maybe put in a small astro pitch for community use on the parklands land that kids can also use on a match day and have a walk way to Cakebridge would be a massive improvement at a comparatively low cost to the main stand. As I said earlier doing that would be a pre-curser to the main stand anyway as we would be on a low capacity once the demolition of the old stand begins.

Would certainly be good for the new owners to start positively with a tangible development early coupled with land purchase.

[Fuller]

As I said Robin, it takes the council years to sort anything. I wouldn’t get your hopes up for a good while yet, much as we all want to see it happen.
Anyway I wouldn’t be surprised if the council didn’t just turn over Parklands to low cost housing.

[Robin]

If the council give away the land then realistically our future is more towards a new ground somewhere as we wouldn't have the space to develop and expand the capacity. Let's all hope that never happens.