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Lord Elpuz
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It is the only way they can keep Cotterill happy, otherwise he would have left them when they were relegated. Problem Cotterill has got is he’s signing a lot of experience & leaders, which is what he likes, but the average age of his squad is heading towards the silver surfer bracket. I recall when he left CTFC and Alner took over for Cheltenham’s first games in League 1, the Cheltenham squad were past their best. If Cotterill gets them out of the National League this coming season, the first problem he will have is replacing all the old war horses.
Tom Smith signs for Taunton after several seasons with Jerry at Bath.
Love the hair....Not.
https://x.com/TauntonTownFC/status/1800 ... x3sZA&s=19
Love the hair....Not.
https://x.com/TauntonTownFC/status/1800 ... x3sZA&s=19
If the rumour did turn out to be true, why are May and his agent not holding all the cards now? The question is who allowed him to hold all the cards.
Wasn't the story that Alfie wanted to finish his career dahn Saath Lahndun way, to be closer to faahmly..? (sorry for the terrible accent)
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Jerry St Clair
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Only because we were desperate to keep him for another six months to keep us up. It was a bad decision, I suspect the Board now know that.
Looking on the bright side, Huddersfield will have no problem pushing the boat out for L1s best forward to get them straight back up. And, maybe I’m being soft, but I’m sure Duffo wouldn’t be distraught to see his home town club benefit with a quid.
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Jerry St Clair
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Huddersfield will be paying Championship salaries. The average is now close to £1m per year. I wouldn’t be surprised if Alfie would be as an absolute minimum doubling (and them some) his salary again.
I’m sure that would soften the blow of not being able to pop round his mums for a cuppa….
But also the seeming lack of interest in a 20+ goal L1 striker for peanuts. Looked to me like Alfie, his agent and Charlton colluded together so there was only ever going to be one destination that subdued any bidding war.Jerry St Clair wrote: ↑14 Jun 2024, 07:05Only because we were desperate to keep him for another six months to keep us up. It was a bad decision, I suspect the Board now know that.
Looking on the bright side, Huddersfield will have no problem pushing the boat out for L1s best forward to get them straight back up. And, maybe I’m being soft, but I’m sure Duffo wouldn’t be distraught to see his home town club benefit with a quid.
The only mistake the board made was setting the bar too low. Once they let it be known what the minimum they would accept for Alfie was there was no way anyone was going higher than £250k. That bar should have been higher and I have no doubt (though of course no evidence - so this is my opinion) Charlton would have matched it up to around £500k.
That they included a sell-on even though he apparently had no resale value does make me smile though.
That they included a sell-on even though he apparently had no resale value does make me smile though.
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horlickfanclub
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Who at Cheltenham Town said Alfie has no resale value? I thought it was Barry Fry speaking about Peterboroughs interest.Si Robin wrote: ↑14 Jun 2024, 07:34 The only mistake the board made was setting the bar too low. Once they let it be known what the minimum they would accept for Alfie was there was no way anyone was going higher than £250k. That bar should have been higher and I have no doubt (though of course no evidence - so this is my opinion) Charlton would have matched it up to around £500k.
That they included a sell-on even though he apparently had no resale value does make me smile though.
From the forum in November:
DB: First of all, Alfie had one year left on his contract like you said, the previous year before he left he expressed the wish to go and he wanted to go and he had a very good offer, we managed to persuade him to stay another season and he scored 20 goals for us, but we agreed with him that if he did that we would consider offers for him, we didn’t receive all the high offers that people suggested we did, none from championship clubs. Charlton came in with a very low offer to start with, we held out and that was the highest offer we got for him. Alfie wanted to go and at 30 years of age there wasn’t a lot of re sale value in him to that particular club and that’s what they would argue and we had to stand by what we agreed with him.
DB is David Bloxham.
One thing I don't like is the pillorying of the board and the making out that Alfie was some great bloke who only wanted what was best. As Paul Godfrey said straight after David:
Now I’m going to upset a few of you now and tell you something some of you voted him for Player of the Year in hope that he might stay. After the last previous season I had a big box of trophies, he swept the floor and I said to him what do you want me to do with these Alf and he said “ You might as well keep them”. Alfie knew for a long time he was going, he made up his mind.
Alfie decided he wanted to go the minute Gillingham came in that January. The board had to convince him to stay and did so with the agreement to sell him in the summer. The only criticism of the board in this situation was the figure they let him go for.
DB: First of all, Alfie had one year left on his contract like you said, the previous year before he left he expressed the wish to go and he wanted to go and he had a very good offer, we managed to persuade him to stay another season and he scored 20 goals for us, but we agreed with him that if he did that we would consider offers for him, we didn’t receive all the high offers that people suggested we did, none from championship clubs. Charlton came in with a very low offer to start with, we held out and that was the highest offer we got for him. Alfie wanted to go and at 30 years of age there wasn’t a lot of re sale value in him to that particular club and that’s what they would argue and we had to stand by what we agreed with him.
DB is David Bloxham.
One thing I don't like is the pillorying of the board and the making out that Alfie was some great bloke who only wanted what was best. As Paul Godfrey said straight after David:
Now I’m going to upset a few of you now and tell you something some of you voted him for Player of the Year in hope that he might stay. After the last previous season I had a big box of trophies, he swept the floor and I said to him what do you want me to do with these Alf and he said “ You might as well keep them”. Alfie knew for a long time he was going, he made up his mind.
Alfie decided he wanted to go the minute Gillingham came in that January. The board had to convince him to stay and did so with the agreement to sell him in the summer. The only criticism of the board in this situation was the figure they let him go for.
So Charlton argued there wasn't a lot of re-sale value to keep the price down, but the board decided there still needed to be a sell-on, by the looks of it. They were hamstrung on the price as the player wanted to go and Charlton were his preferred and, one way or another, only option. Let's hope that by way of compromise, Charlton agreed to 50% and Alfie has suddenly decided he wants to go back to Yorkshire!
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horlickfanclub
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Si Robin wrote: ↑14 Jun 2024, 10:30 From the forum in November:
DB: First of all, Alfie had one year left on his contract like you said, the previous year before he left he expressed the wish to go and he wanted to go and he had a very good offer, we managed to persuade him to stay another season and he scored 20 goals for us, but we agreed with him that if he did that we would consider offers for him, we didn’t receive all the high offers that people suggested we did, none from championship clubs. Charlton came in with a very low offer to start with, we held out and that was the highest offer we got for him. Alfie wanted to go and at 30 years of age there wasn’t a lot of re sale value in him to that particular club and that’s what they would argue and we had to stand by what we agreed with him.
DB is David Bloxham.
One thing I don't like is the pillorying of the board and the making out that Alfie was some great bloke who only wanted what was best. As Paul Godfrey said straight after David:
Now I’m going to upset a few of you now and tell you something some of you voted him for Player of the Year in hope that he might stay. After the last previous season I had a big box of trophies, he swept the floor and I said to him what do you want me to do with these Alf and he said “ You might as well keep them”. Alfie knew for a long time he was going, he made up his mind.
Thanks for posting that Si Robin . That explains it. I think as the Chairman said " to that particular club" he thought , as I did and others, that Alfie would see his contract at Charlton. He may well still do. His agent will probably try it on with Charlton to raise his wages . I still think that slippery Fry did make a comment on Alfie but,if he did it is nice to see him with egg on his face too.
Alfie decided he wanted to go the minute Gillingham came in that January. The board had to convince him to stay and did so with the agreement to sell him in the summer. The only criticism of the board in this situation was the figure they let him go for.
because they are 'potentially' dealing with a club (huddersfield) that aren't going to be bullied and a little more streetwise.
This whole saga depresses the feck out of me.paperboy wrote: ↑26 Jun 2024, 13:17 Nathan Jones sounding like a politician.
https://londonnewsonline.co.uk/sport/ze ... alfie-may/
If he made it known he wanted to go in January, then either set about selling him or tell him he is here for the season. If he threw his toys out then feck him as there was no guarantee he would score goals or enough to help us stay up.
The old nobody else bid for him is so mind blowingly lazy. He had made it known where he was going and CTFC brains trust decided a fair settlement was around £200k (and they wonder why a lot of people wouldn't trust them to get the right change from a round).
He is just a money grabbing vvanker, with zero loyalty to anything but himself. Nothing wrong with that, as long as you don't try and portray the image that you care.
And you know me, I usually sit on the fence
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Wellwisher
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On this question of May and his true "worth", I think some people are missing an important point, namely that you are not actually buying a player, you are buying his contract.
And with a couple of years (more?) left on his Charlton contract, that is always going to cost Hudds (or s.o. else) a good deal more to buy than if he only had a year or less remaining, as I assume was the case at Cheltenham.
Otherwise, you'd say Killian Mbappe is worthless, seeing as Real Madrid got him for nothing!
(Also pertinent, of course, is why CTFC allowed May's contract to run down in the first place, but that's another question, with resale value being only one aspect of how that will/should have been handled.)
And with a couple of years (more?) left on his Charlton contract, that is always going to cost Hudds (or s.o. else) a good deal more to buy than if he only had a year or less remaining, as I assume was the case at Cheltenham.
Otherwise, you'd say Killian Mbappe is worthless, seeing as Real Madrid got him for nothing!
(Also pertinent, of course, is why CTFC allowed May's contract to run down in the first place, but that's another question, with resale value being only one aspect of how that will/should have been handled.)
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Jerry St Clair
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I'm sure I have it right that the option in the contract was if we wanted to give him another year then we could exercise it without him having to agree to it.
Similar to us having to offer Tom Pett a new deal once he'd played a number of games, but with the shoe being on the other foot.
It might well have been that he stayed and was dreadful so we wanted to release him rather than exercise the option (I know how fanciful that sounds). It has to be remembered that when he signed his new deal in January 2022, he wasn't the same Alfie May that finished that season and then had another stormer in 22/23.
Similar to us having to offer Tom Pett a new deal once he'd played a number of games, but with the shoe being on the other foot.
It might well have been that he stayed and was dreadful so we wanted to release him rather than exercise the option (I know how fanciful that sounds). It has to be remembered that when he signed his new deal in January 2022, he wasn't the same Alfie May that finished that season and then had another stormer in 22/23.
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Jerry St Clair
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Interesting. Thanks. So it’s an enforced extension that requires no agreement between the two parties. ‘Option’ seems a misleading description.
Accepting your argument re contracts. I would be of the opinion that keeping him for a year and letting him go on a free would have been well worth 200k. If he still kicked up a fuss, I would have said ok, market decides what it's worth and off you goWellwisher wrote: ↑26 Jun 2024, 17:29 On this question of May and his true "worth", I think some people are missing an important point, namely that you are not actually buying a player, you are buying his contract.
And with a couple of years (more?) left on his Charlton contract, that is always going to cost Hudds (or s.o. else) a good deal more to buy than if he only had a year or less remaining, as I assume was the case at Cheltenham.
Otherwise, you'd say Killian Mbappe is worthless, seeing as Real Madrid got him for nothing!
(Also pertinent, of course, is why CTFC allowed May's contract to run down in the first place, but that's another question, with resale value being only one aspect of how that will/should have been handled.)