This has to be my favourite video clip of the summer so far...
https://x.com/mickyj1878/status/1818388883001782683
Southport riots
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Definition from the Public Order Act 1986:
Riot.
(1)Where 12 or more persons who are present together use or threaten unlawful violence for a common purpose and the conduct of them (taken together) is such as would cause a person of reasonable firmness present at the scene to fear for his personal safety, each of the persons using unlawful violence for the common purpose is guilty of riot.
(2)It is immaterial whether or not the 12 or more use or threaten unlawful violence simultaneously.
(3)The common purpose may be inferred from conduct.
(4)No person of reasonable firmness need actually be, or be likely to be, present at the scene.
(5)Riot may be committed in private as well as in public places.
(6)A person guilty of riot is liable on conviction on indictment to imprisonment for a term not exceeding ten years or a fine or both.
I'm only surprised more are not being charged under this definition, as Breach of the Peace is a lesser offence.
Riot.
(1)Where 12 or more persons who are present together use or threaten unlawful violence for a common purpose and the conduct of them (taken together) is such as would cause a person of reasonable firmness present at the scene to fear for his personal safety, each of the persons using unlawful violence for the common purpose is guilty of riot.
(2)It is immaterial whether or not the 12 or more use or threaten unlawful violence simultaneously.
(3)The common purpose may be inferred from conduct.
(4)No person of reasonable firmness need actually be, or be likely to be, present at the scene.
(5)Riot may be committed in private as well as in public places.
(6)A person guilty of riot is liable on conviction on indictment to imprisonment for a term not exceeding ten years or a fine or both.
I'm only surprised more are not being charged under this definition, as Breach of the Peace is a lesser offence.
12 people, I rest my case. I read that there had been a riot in Belfast and was amazed to find out I had driven past it. Approx 12 standing at the end of Sandy Road giving the PSNI grief. I drove on presuming a standard summers night with a few gents having consumed a few too much. The term 'riot', seems to be bandied about a lot IMHO spreads to the murky environment. It is akin to suggesting using the terrorist act to go after a few yobs. It demeans and belittles those that have / are impacted by actual terrorist crimes around the world. Irrespective whatever government of the day decides on how they want to define a terrorist. just stop oil, climate change etc protests seem to not be hailed as rioters (and quite rightly), but they would fit into what you have quoted. All my opinionasl wrote: ↑20 Aug 2024, 11:38 Definition from the Public Order Act 1986:
Riot.
(1)Where 12 or more persons who are present together use or threaten unlawful violence for a common purpose and the conduct of them (taken together) is such as would cause a person of reasonable firmness present at the scene to fear for his personal safety, each of the persons using unlawful violence for the common purpose is guilty of riot.
(2)It is immaterial whether or not the 12 or more use or threaten unlawful violence simultaneously.
(3)The common purpose may be inferred from conduct.
(4)No person of reasonable firmness need actually be, or be likely to be, present at the scene.
(5)Riot may be committed in private as well as in public places.
(6)A person guilty of riot is liable on conviction on indictment to imprisonment for a term not exceeding ten years or a fine or both.
I'm only surprised more are not being charged under this definition, as Breach of the Peace is a lesser offence.
I'm not sure any reasonable person has ever had cause to fear for their personal safety due to the actions of any Just Stop Oil protests (who, imho, give those concerned with climate change a Bad Name). But a baying, sometimes drunken, mob, waving scaffold poles, setting bins on fire and throwing bricks - yes...I'm not sure I'd need to encounter as many as twelve in a group to be concerned for my safety (particularly if I were Eastern European or African...)
Tbh, I just gave the legal definition; whether or not you agree that it should be defined that way is largely immaterial. What we've seen is clearly within that definition and I'm just surprised it didn't occur in Swindon (there were rumours of one being organised but it came to nothing) as there is a lot of resentment harboured towards those immigrants who are currently packed six to a room in a couple of hotels. Quite a few local morons here think they're being 'put up in a hotel' like what they stay in when they're on holiday.
Tbh, I just gave the legal definition; whether or not you agree that it should be defined that way is largely immaterial. What we've seen is clearly within that definition and I'm just surprised it didn't occur in Swindon (there were rumours of one being organised but it came to nothing) as there is a lot of resentment harboured towards those immigrants who are currently packed six to a room in a couple of hotels. Quite a few local morons here think they're being 'put up in a hotel' like what they stay in when they're on holiday.
not condoning any of the drunken actions, but from what I have seen, most actions were against the police. Also interesting that it seems to have occurred in the poorest areas of the UK. There is more to it than what the press are saying, otherwise it would be widespread. People are getting left behind and ignored, the government needs to give them some hope and a future to look forward to. Otherwise the children will turn out to have the same future. The answer isn't stopping the winter fuel paymentsasl wrote: ↑21 Aug 2024, 10:09 I'm not sure any reasonable person has ever had cause to fear for their personal safety due to the actions of any Just Stop Oil protests (who, imho, give those concerned with climate change a Bad Name). But a baying, sometimes drunken, mob, waving scaffold poles, setting bins on fire and throwing bricks - yes...I'm not sure I'd need to encounter as many as twelve in a group to be concerned for my safety (particularly if I were Eastern European or African...)
Tbh, I just gave the legal definition; whether or not you agree that it should be defined that way is largely immaterial. What we've seen is clearly within that definition and I'm just surprised it didn't occur in Swindon (there were rumours of one being organised but it came to nothing) as there is a lot of resentment harboured towards those immigrants who are currently packed six to a room in a couple of hotels. Quite a few local morons here think they're being 'put up in a hotel' like what they stay in when they're on holiday.
