Interesting JP chat w/ Gab Sutton

[Si Robin]

There is no lease on the community centre and there hasn't been since 1997/98.

A court case is due at some point.

[Robin]

There is no lease on the community centre and there hasn't been since 1997/98.

A court case is due at some point.

Can you help me understand how the community centre were charging the club for fans using that entrance then? I understood the community centre owners were basically set to leave as the council would not extend it.

[Artemis]

Just listening to it, Jon makes it clear that 'other figures' no prize for guessing who were perhaps driving the transfer listing of Bradbury and Kinsella rather than Mike Flynn. Also confirms the new ownership should be announced in the coming weeks which is excellent news.

of course 'other figures' were behind their listing. Why would a manager who clearly rated the pair of them want rid. They were on our version of L1 wages. Financial considerations, just like now, will have been driving it. Fortunately, solvency is the primary objective at our club, and as a business so it should be.
I know that probably comes as a disappointment to those who expect people with deep pockets and long arms to subsidise their sporting entertainment.

Ah so one should not feel unhappy about the possibility of dropping a league - got it

Didn't say anyone should be happy with it, but if its no club or a the current club in a lower league, then I'd go for the latter.

[Si Robin]

There is no lease on the community centre and there hasn't been since 1997/98.

A court case is due at some point.

Can you help me understand how the community centre were charging the club for fans using that entrance then? I understood the community centre owners were basically set to leave as the council would not extend it.

They believed they had a lease, but someone (not sure if it was the council or Parklands) has looked into it and discovered there hasn't been one since 1997/98 time. The council have decided they don't want them there anymore and Parklands have set up a petition to remain - a petition that had a large number of signatures the last time I saw it.

I don't know much more because what I know is what's been said to me by Craig in the bar. However, Parklands did have an agreement with the club - which the club acknowledged - for allowing access to the ground.

[Robin]

Thanks appreciate that, I wonder if the centre does much trade outside of football foot traffic.

[Ihearye]

of course 'other figures' were behind their listing. Why would a manager who clearly rated the pair of them want rid. They were on our version of L1 wages. Financial considerations, just like now, will have been driving it. Fortunately, solvency is the primary objective at our club, and as a business so it should be.
I know that probably comes as a disappointment to those who expect people with deep pockets and long arms to subsidise their sporting entertainment.

Ah so one should not feel unhappy about the possibility of dropping a league - got it

Didn't say anyone should be happy with it, but if its no club or a the current club in a lower league, then I'd go for the latter.

Nor does it mean I want someone to subsidise my ticket. I pay what the club asks for. If they need more to survive then charge more while at same time taking steps to retain a team we can identify with for more than 8 months. When they needed money during covid, people paid, when they wanted money for the scoreboard, people paid.

[Ihearye]

There is no lease on the community centre and there hasn't been since 1997/98.

A court case is due at some point.

Can you help me understand how the community centre were charging the club for fans using that entrance then? I understood the community centre owners were basically set to leave as the council would not extend it.

They believed they had a lease, but someone (not sure if it was the council or Parklands) has looked into it and discovered there hasn't been one since 1997/98 time. The council have decided they don't want them there anymore and Parklands have set up a petition to remain - a petition that had a large number of signatures the last time I saw it.

I don't know much more because what I know is what's been said to me by Craig in the bar. However, Parklands did have an agreement with the club - which the club acknowledged - for allowing access to the ground.

CBC on the ball as usual

[Robin]

Ah so one should not feel unhappy about the possibility of dropping a league - got it

Didn't say anyone should be happy with it, but if its no club or a the current club in a lower league, then I'd go for the latter.

Nor does it mean I want someone to subsidise my ticket. I pay what the club asks for. If they need more to survive then charge more while at same time taking steps to retain a team we can identify with for more than 8 months. When they needed money during covid, people paid, when they wanted money for the scoreboard, people paid.

Charging more is not the answer, bringing in more fans (through better facilities and marketing) and more sponsorship is a better answer. An extra 500 fans on average over a season would make a big difference to our budget.

[Herbie53]

There is no lease on the community centre and there hasn't been since 1997/98.

A court case is due at some point.

Can you help me understand how the community centre were charging the club for fans using that entrance then? I understood the community centre owners were basically set to leave as the council would not extend it.

They believed they had a lease, but someone (not sure if it was the council or Parklands) has looked into it and discovered there hasn't been one since 1997/98 time. The council have decided they don't want them there anymore and Parklands have set up a petition to remain - a petition that had a large number of signatures the last time I saw it.

I don't know much more because what I know is what's been said to me by Craig in the bar. However, Parklands did have an agreement with the club - which the club acknowledged - for allowing access to the ground.

Surely then in the absence of any notice to quit, they are holding over and occupying on the terms of the previous lease?

[Shade]

Isn’t he now reform MP for Great Yarmouth? Hopefully he’s too busy shouting at small boats to get involved with us.

Ex-Reform. They kicked him out and tried to get him arrested with false allegations that he'd threatened Zia Yusuf, all because he didn't toe Farage's line (police found no evidence, dropped it, Yusuf resigned as Reform chairman soon after).

Anyway, definitely won't be Lowe, he's far too busy as MP for Great Yarmouth and with the independent grooming gang inquiry that he set up a few months ago.

[Ihearye]

Didn't say anyone should be happy with it, but if its no club or a the current club in a lower league, then I'd go for the latter.

Nor does it mean I want someone to subsidise my ticket. I pay what the club asks for. If they need more to survive then charge more while at same time taking steps to retain a team we can identify with for more than 8 months. When they needed money during covid, people paid, when they wanted money for the scoreboard, people paid.

Charging more is not the answer, bringing in more fans (through better facilities and marketing) and more sponsorship is a better answer. An extra 500 fans on average over a season would make a big difference to our budget.

Chicken and egg surely? You won't be getting 500 new folk in if we don't have a successful team that they want to watch. Some would argue.

[ctfc-fan]

Rupert Lowe lived (not sure if still does) in Withington.

[Robin]

Nor does it mean I want someone to subsidise my ticket. I pay what the club asks for. If they need more to survive then charge more while at same time taking steps to retain a team we can identify with for more than 8 months. When they needed money during covid, people paid, when they wanted money for the scoreboard, people paid.

Charging more is not the answer, bringing in more fans (through better facilities and marketing) and more sponsorship is a better answer. An extra 500 fans on average over a season would make a big difference to our budget.

Chicken and egg surely? You won't be getting 500 new folk in if we don't have a successful team that they want to watch. Some would argue.

Undeniably intertwined because even if you have a successful team if you have substandard facilities then they won't come no matter how successful the team is as we saw in league one. Build the infrastructure and marketing, fans come and then you get a better team and more fans come is probably more realistic.

[Si Robin]

Can you help me understand how the community centre were charging the club for fans using that entrance then? I understood the community centre owners were basically set to leave as the council would not extend it.

They believed they had a lease, but someone (not sure if it was the council or Parklands) has looked into it and discovered there hasn't been one since 1997/98 time. The council have decided they don't want them there anymore and Parklands have set up a petition to remain - a petition that had a large number of signatures the last time I saw it.

I don't know much more because what I know is what's been said to me by Craig in the bar. However, Parklands did have an agreement with the club - which the club acknowledged - for allowing access to the ground.

Surely then in the absence of any notice to quit, they are holding over and occupying on the terms of the previous lease?

I honestly have no idea - I won't pretend to understand the issues in full.

FWIW - I love Parklands, it's my watering hole of choice before and after games, and I would hate to see it shut down.

[Robin]

How would you feel if the club took it over and used it as an offical club bar and social center? I believe it's bigger than the Robins Nest which is very limited in size and over crowded.

[Si Robin]

I wouldn't like it at all.

I used to drink in the Nest all the time, but the prices got out of hand. It got too rammed and frankly, it didn't have the personal touch I think you get in Parklands. Craig, the guy who runs Parklands, is an absolute diamond of a bloke and does a cracking job in there. I wouldn't want to see him lose his job and I think whatever happens to it, it won't be as good without him.

I love Cheltenham Town, have been going for 30 plus years now, want to see us get as high as we can, but I don't want it at the detriment of local facilities.

[horlickfanclub]

Parklands is popular pre match with home and away supporters and a great parking facility. Many supporters with mobility problems rely on it. It also has a lot of community events. I hope it continues is some form with a sensibly organised lease for whoever ...

[Robin]

Parklands is popular pre match with home and away supporters and a great parking facility. Many supporters with mobility problems rely on it. It also has a lot of community events. I hope it continues is some form with a sensibly organised lease for whoever ...

That's exactly why the club should be purchasing it with new ownership and maximising the potential revenue it can generate.

[Shade]

Be better if we took it over and just leased it out so it can stay as it, I'd have thought.

[Ihearye]

I wouldn't like it at all.

I used to drink in the Nest all the time, but the prices got out of hand. It got too rammed and frankly, it didn't have the personal touch I think you get in Parklands. Craig, the guy who runs Parklands, is an absolute diamond of a bloke and does a cracking job in there. I wouldn't want to see him lose his job and I think whatever happens to it, it won't be as good without him.

I love Cheltenham Town, have been going for 30 plus years now, want to see us get as high as we can, but I don't want it at the detriment of local facilities.

It never ceases to amazed me how well run clubs e.g. the albino,n can provide what they do for around £3 a pint

[joes dad]

I wouldn't like it at all.

I used to drink in the Nest all the time, but the prices got out of hand. It got too rammed and frankly, it didn't have the personal touch I think you get in Parklands. Craig, the guy who runs Parklands, is an absolute diamond of a bloke and does a cracking job in there. I wouldn't want to see him lose his job and I think whatever happens to it, it won't be as good without him.

I love Cheltenham Town, have been going for 30 plus years now, want to see us get as high as we can, but I don't want it at the detriment of local facilities.

It never ceases to amazed me how well run clubs e.g. the albino,n can provide what they do for around £3 a pint

Proper steward (or stewardess) at the Albion, Butty Bach £3.50 a pint. ah.... nectar

[Ihearye]

I wouldn't like it at all.

I used to drink in the Nest all the time, but the prices got out of hand. It got too rammed and frankly, it didn't have the personal touch I think you get in Parklands. Craig, the guy who runs Parklands, is an absolute diamond of a bloke and does a cracking job in there. I wouldn't want to see him lose his job and I think whatever happens to it, it won't be as good without him.

I love Cheltenham Town, have been going for 30 plus years now, want to see us get as high as we can, but I don't want it at the detriment of local facilities.

It never ceases to amazed me how well run clubs e.g. the albino,n can provide what they do for around £3 a pint

Proper steward (or stewardess) at the Albion, Butty Bach £3.50 a pint. ah.... nectar

Have to say, it is also my go to in there! Lisa transformed the Bayshill after years of grumpy Fred and is now doing a good job in the Albion. So all the club would need to do (if it ever did take over parklands), is just let people keep doing what they already do and see what improvements they could make to align with CTFC

[Shade]

When you can get pint bottles of decent beer for £1 in the supermarket, no pint in the pub should ever be more than £3.

[Ihearye]

When you can get pint bottles of decent beer for £1 in the supermarket, no pint in the pub should ever be more than £3.

not sure they would let me bring it in with me Guess I could sit in the garden on my own feeling good about saving £2

[Fuller]

When you can get pint bottles of decent beer for £1 in the supermarket, no pint in the pub should ever be more than £3.

….and which supermarket would that be please?

[Shade]

When you can get pint bottles of decent beer for £1 in the supermarket, no pint in the pub should ever be more than £3.

….and which supermarket would that be please?

Aldi. Lots of good stuff, 99p to £1.50, including Hobgoblin, Proper Job, and "Old Session Hen"/various Hen...variations.

[Fuller]

When you can get pint bottles of decent beer for £1 in the supermarket, no pint in the pub should ever be more than £3.

….and which supermarket would that be please?

Aldi. Lots of good stuff, 99p to £1.50, including Hobgoblin, Proper Job, and "Old Session Hen"/various Hen...variations.

On my way…..

[Wellwisher]

Have to say, [the Albion] is also my go to in there! Lisa transformed the Bayshill after years of grumpy Fred and is now doing a good job in the Albion.

A couple of times recently when I passed the Bayshill, it was closed when you might have expected it to be open (was open the rest of the time, mind.)

Dunno what was going on, but at the weekend, "Under New Management" signs appeared. I can't say I was a regular, but it didn't seem too bad under the former management, hope the new people do ok.

Anyone any info?

[joes dad]

When Lisa took on the Bays over 10 years ago, she transformed it from a sleepy pub to an all singing and dancing, through hard work, customer satisfaction and good social skills + good live music. The new landlord took over, and showed no interest at all, even allowing the druggies back in, I even confronted him about the "Travellers" causing trouble with regulars, but he didn't care, hence regulars like myself and many others I know, took our customer elsewhere (The Albion).
The new landlady seems to be given it a go, so will give it another try.
Hope that helps

[Wellwisher]

When Lisa took on the Bays over 10 years ago, she transformed it from a sleepy pub to an all singing and dancing, through hard work, customer satisfaction and good social skills + good live music. The new landlord took over, and showed no interest at all, even allowing the druggies back in, I even confronted him about the "Travellers" causing trouble with regulars, but he didn't care, hence regulars like myself and many others I know, took our customer elsewhere (The Albion).
The new landlady seems to be given it a go, so will give it another try.
Hope that helps

Thanks for that. Am I right in saying Lisa was in charge; then a new (troublesome) landlord took over from her; then a "new landlady" gave it a go; who was then replaced by (yet more) new management at the weekend just past?

If I've got this right, I thought the pub was quite well run by the "new landlady" over this last couple of years I've been popping in (occasionally). Meaning that the latest management will do well to keep it on track.

[Ihearye]

it was good to see the Albion has just become a bigger version of the Bayshill. Maybe a tad less character, but then the back room of the Bayshill did not have much character. The 'new' landlord that replaced her, didn't seem too interested in his customers.

All from could we buy a community centre? LOL