Major ownership development

[Robin]

I can see Garlick purchasing the ground for the club including Parklands and Cakebridge place as we need some of that land for future stands. I'm sure there is a lot more we could be doing at the training ground which could bring in revenue and one day see us have a better academy and U-21 side so we can develop our own assets which is near impossible currently.

[shevates]

I think on the research Ive done on Mike Garlick is that he seems an excellent choice as our new owner. All I ask he has a decent amount of money to spend on players and wages which will make us competitive and decent to watch which hopefully will attract better crowds, then start developments of Whaddon road

[Ihearye]

I think on the research Ive done on Mike Garlick is that he seems an excellent choice as our new owner. All I ask he has a decent amount of money to spend on players and wages which will make us competitive and decent to watch which hopefully will attract better crowds, then start developments of Whaddon road

Couldn't agree more, park any talk about buying land, building new stands. Get us a sustainable squad of players and stop the revolving door scenario year after year

[paperboy]

I think on the research Ive done on Mike Garlick is that he seems an excellent choice as our new owner. All I ask he has a decent amount of money to spend on players and wages which will make us competitive and decent to watch which hopefully will attract better crowds, then start developments of Whaddon road

Couldn't agree more, park any talk about buying land, building new stands. Get us a sustainable squad of players and stop the revolving door scenario year after year

Yep,seconded...or thirded.

Given that we're currently in the bottom ten in league 2 resource -wise and two clubs get relegated that surely means we've a 20% chance of going down to non-league each season currently.
Having the shiniest stand in the National League won't be too helpful then.

[Robin]

That stand and revenue it would generate would give us a huge competitive advantage to bounce back though. We would be in top four or five teams for support and one of the largest budgets. Whilst I do not disagree we need improvement on the playing side we also need more revenue to do that.

Also resources and relegation do not correlate, Carlisle went down with the largest budget in the league last year and FGR were near top the year before. Granted Morecambe were rock bottom last year but they almost stayed up against the odds.

[Ihearye]

That stand and revenue it would generate would give us a huge competitive advantage to bounce back though. We would be in top four or five teams for support and one of the largest budgets. Whilst I do not disagree we need improvement on the playing side we also need more revenue to do that.

Also resources and relegation do not correlate, Carlisle went down with the largest budget in the league last year and FGR were near top the year before. Granted Morecambe were rock bottom last year but they almost stayed up against the odds.

new stand and gamble on a bounce back, or build organically in L2. Not a hard choice for me

[London Exile]

Hopefully the MG takeover proceeds and completes and if so, I’ve full confidence that we’ll be looking ahead once again rather than constantly checking over our shoulder and hoping for 2 teams worse than us!

I don’t think the budget needs massively subsidising but a little extra would go a long way and that, plus improving the training ground where all the hard work is done, is where the first focus should be.

Get those bits right, and with somebody like MG, Im sure the rest will take care of itself

[asl]

new stand and gamble on a bounce back, or build organically in L2. Not a hard choice for me

I agree. I mentioned a few weeks back that, if we're going to build a new stand, wouldn't it be better if we were in L2? We're going to lose substantially more revenue if we're missing one side of the ground for a season while we're in L1 compared with if we do it in L2.

Oh, it's not perfect. I'm fully aware that, if we do build a new stand, it probably won't be for another three years at the earliest - and we can't be expected to show no ambition for that long.

[Robin]

That stand and revenue it would generate would give us a huge competitive advantage to bounce back though. We would be in top four or five teams for support and one of the largest budgets. Whilst I do not disagree we need improvement on the playing side we also need more revenue to do that.

Also resources and relegation do not correlate, Carlisle went down with the largest budget in the league last year and FGR were near top the year before. Granted Morecambe were rock bottom last year but they almost stayed up against the odds.

new stand and gamble on a bounce back, or build organically in L2. Not a hard choice for me

I'm confused by the point here, a new stand a) will bring in revenue on non-match days and b) increased attendances. This will make us more competitive. You can spend a few million on players but if the ground stays as it is it's unsustainable. Bottom line we need to generate more revenue and it's obvious crowds won't grow as we do not have enough seats and our ground is one of the poorest in league two facilities wise.

[CS85]

Lets just say Mr garlick is here for five years.
He puts money into the squad and we do well,but then he thinks I've had enough im off.....we're then exactly back to where we've started with a 1960s stand with no non match day revenue, insanity.
Solid on the pitch big progress needed off of it.
Although I know some of you like that stand because it reminds you of beating afc dog and duck in 1971 .

[Fuller]

Lets just say Mr garlick is here for five years.
He puts money into the squad and we do well,but then he thinks I've had enough im off.....we're then exactly back to where we've started with a 1960s stand with no non match day revenue, insanity.
Solid on the pitch big progress needed off of it.
Although I know some of you like that stand because it reminds you of beating afc dog and duck in 1971

AFC Dog & Duck …. aka Wellingborough Town FC.
In that era I recall us beating them 8-1 in front of our stand which back then was in its relatively early life. How I will miss those days

[Ihearye]

That stand and revenue it would generate would give us a huge competitive advantage to bounce back though. We would be in top four or five teams for support and one of the largest budgets. Whilst I do not disagree we need improvement on the playing side we also need more revenue to do that.

Also resources and relegation do not correlate, Carlisle went down with the largest budget in the league last year and FGR were near top the year before. Granted Morecambe were rock bottom last year but they almost stayed up against the odds.

new stand and gamble on a bounce back, or build organically in L2. Not a hard choice for me

I'm confused by the point here, a new stand a) will bring in revenue on non-match days and b) increased attendances. This will make us more competitive. You can spend a few million on players but if the ground stays as it is it's unsustainable. Bottom line we need to generate more revenue and it's obvious crowds won't grow as we do not have enough seats and our ground is one of the poorest in league two facilities wise.

I don't get the confusion. If we don't invest in a team first, by the time we would purchase any land required, planning, planning permission, demolish the old stand and build a new one. We will be playing whoever it is plays on whaddon rec on a saturday afternoon. All for new facilities, but we have to have a team worth watching (yes I know, the usual will watch at any level), but a team to put bums on seats of the new shiny stand.

[everyman]

I think on the research Ive done on Mike Garlick is that he seems an excellent choice as our new owner. All I ask he has a decent amount of money to spend on players and wages which will make us competitive and decent to watch which hopefully will attract better crowds, then start developments of Whaddon road

Couldn't agree more, park any talk about buying land, building new stands. Get us a sustainable squad of players and stop the revolving door scenario year after year

We should invest in improving the squad to get us back into the 1st div. with the increased income and good leadership we can establish ourselves comfortably at that level for years and ground developement will organically follow .

[Robin]

OK Ihearye yes we need investment on the playing side I agree but we cannot think short term here either, as CS85 highlights we cannot apply a plaster long term improvement off the pitch is essential.

[Robin]

I think on the research Ive done on Mike Garlick is that he seems an excellent choice as our new owner. All I ask he has a decent amount of money to spend on players and wages which will make us competitive and decent to watch which hopefully will attract better crowds, then start developments of Whaddon road

Couldn't agree more, park any talk about buying land, building new stands. Get us a sustainable squad of players and stop the revolving door scenario year after year

We should invest in improving the squad to get us back into the 1st div. with the increased income and good leadership we can establish ourselves comfortably at that level for years and ground developement will organically follow .

But we are then reliant fully on Mike Garlick to subsidise the club because we do not have enough seats and crowds won't grow until we expand capacity. We need both in parallel because we are not generating any revenue off the field to improve the team and we don't have the ground to increase attendances (although an extra 500 on the gate is probably do able in my own view).

[Ihearye]

OK Ihearye yes we need investment on the playing side I agree but we cannot think short term here either, as CS85 highlights we cannot apply a plaster long term improvement off the pitch is essential.

Of course, but you can't plan for their rehabilitation if the patient is dead

[paperboy]

Chicken-egg

Egg-chicken

[Ihearye]

Chicken-egg

Egg-chicken

Cart - horse
Horse - cart

[paperboy]

Chicken-egg

Egg-chicken

Cart - horse
Horse - cart

Much better.

[Shade]

I'm really not sure what the arguments are about here. We need investment in the team and a new main stand. Obviously we need the priority to be the shorter term investment in the team, and as a longer term investment, the main stand to be looked at in time.

Anyway, my post was merely to show MG's history of building the infrastructure at Burnley. He'd obviously be looking to do the same here.

[PittvillePundit]

That stand and revenue it would generate would give us a huge competitive advantage to bounce back though. We would be in top four or five teams for support and one of the largest budgets. Whilst I do not disagree we need improvement on the playing side we also need more revenue to do that.

Also resources and relegation do not correlate, Carlisle went down with the largest budget in the league last year and FGR were near top the year before. Granted Morecambe were rock bottom last year but they almost stayed up against the odds.

Resources and league position (and therefore relegation) do very much correlate in broad terms. That there are outliers and exceptions does not disprove the general principle in that regard.

[ctfc-fan]

First thing that should happen is at least try and secure the land, whether it’s developed or not. That stops anyone else buying it but could be used for car parking in the short term and generate revenue that way.

[plymrob]

"I'm confused by the point here, a new stand a) will bring in revenue on non-match days and b) increased attendances. This will make us more competitive."

We are talking Whaddon Road here.... and long may it stay the same.... But, no, it is definately not a viable 'corporate' venue... (as I see it) - With apologies to Whaddonites.

I remain to be convinced. Success on the grass has to go hand in hand with other progressions, please. I will, but am fearful for daring to say it, remain reasonably happy being steady League Two and sometimes enjoying League One...? Maybe just me - Though maybe just realism..?

[horlickfanclub]

"I'm confused by the point here, a new stand a) will bring in revenue on non-match days and b) increased attendances. This will make us more competitive."

We are talking Whaddon Road here.... and long may it stay the same.... But, no, it is definately not a viable 'corporate' venue... (as I see it) - With apologies to Whaddonites.

I remain to be convinced. Success on the grass has to go hand in hand with other progressions, please. I will, but am fearful for daring to say it, remain reasonably happy being steady League Two and sometimes enjoying League One...? Maybe just me - Though maybe just realism..?

I agree Plym. You can create a venue that generates revenue but does it make a profit? I think our proposed new owner is a realist.

[Robin]

The aim for me is to become a competitive league one side that can occasionally dream of the championship. That's not unrealistic.

[paperboy]

Not directly connected to us, but the new owner did mention Andy Carroll.

First fans forum with new Kuwaiti owner....first I've seen outdoors on the pitch and it does look a bit like a wedding reception.
He definitely talks a good game and says everything you'd expect a new owner to say.
This could be the bullet that we are dodging.

https://youtu.be/FDH122BWNQg?si=_3kR-ioibOM0LiIr

[Wellwisher]

Not qualified to comment upon the above chicken first or egg first argument, but as regards Mr. Garlick, I've taken a look at a Burnley fans website and opinion on him is divided:
https://www.uptheclarets.com/messageboa ... it=Garlick

All agree that the first few years of his stewardship were excellent, even outstanding, managing to keep them in the Prem, on the tightest of budgets, whilst not going heavily into debt etc.

Then it started to go wrong around 2020. Some people put this down to Covid, affecting both BFC and Garlick's own company, meaning he had no choice but to squeeze the budget at Burnley very hard. Others reckon that that is just making excuses, so that he didn't permit Dyche to spend even moderate money (any?) on a much-needed squad rebuild, which in turn led to a severe breakdown in the relationship between the two. (Can't comment which is valid myself, mind).

Anyhow, it all came to a head over his sale of the club to a US investment firm, ALK. This lot, controlled by Alan Pace (now also Burnley Chairman), effectively did a mini-Glazer job i.e. loading their purchase money onto the club itself as debt.

Which raises a question over Garlick: did he do due diligence over these new buyers, and if he did, did he know or even care what he found? Or did he just think: "I'm getting my £100m, so I'm not really bothered where it's coming from"? For if it's the latter, that's pretty poor from a self-proclaimed Clarets fan, and might cause issues if/when he ever decided to sell Cheltenham.

[Ralph]

Not qualified to comment upon the above chicken first or egg first argument, but as regards Mr. Garlick, I've taken a look at a Burnley fans website and opinion on him is divided:
https://www.uptheclarets.com/messageboa ... it=Garlick

All agree that the first few years of his stewardship were excellent, even outstanding, managing to keep them in the Prem, on the tightest of budgets, whilst not going heavily into debt etc.

Then it started to go wrong around 2020. Some people put this down to Covid, affecting both BFC and Garlick's own company, meaning he had no choice but to squeeze the budget at Burnley very hard. Others reckon that that is just making excuses, so that he didn't permit Dyche to spend even moderate money (any?) on a much-needed squad rebuild, which in turn led to a severe breakdown in the relationship between the two. (Can't comment which is valid myself, mind).

Anyhow, it all came to a head over his sale of the club to a US investment firm, ALK. This lot, controlled by Alan Pace (now also Burnley Chairman), effectively did a mini-Glazer job i.e. loading their purchase money onto the club itself as debt.

Which raises a question over Garlick: did he do due diligence over these new buyers, and if he did, did he know or even care what he found? Or did he just think: "I'm getting my £100m, so I'm not really bothered where it's coming from"? For if it's the latter, that's pretty poor from a self-proclaimed Clarets fan, and might cause issues if/when he ever decided to sell Cheltenham.

Honestly, who cares about his due diligence with ALK or what Burnley fans think. I'm just excited that soon after supporting this club for 45 years, we might for the first time have an owner who will have the funds so that we can get some decent players and not be looking for cheap or free players year after year. Yes Paul spent money when SC was here but this could be so much more now.

[paperboy]

Not qualified to comment upon the above chicken first or egg first argument, but as regards Mr. Garlick, I've taken a look at a Burnley fans website and opinion on him is divided:
https://www.uptheclarets.com/messageboa ... it=Garlick

All agree that the first few years of his stewardship were excellent, even outstanding, managing to keep them in the Prem, on the tightest of budgets, whilst not going heavily into debt etc.

Then it started to go wrong around 2020. Some people put this down to Covid, affecting both BFC and Garlick's own company, meaning he had no choice but to squeeze the budget at Burnley very hard. Others reckon that that is just making excuses, so that he didn't permit Dyche to spend even moderate money (any?) on a much-needed squad rebuild, which in turn led to a severe breakdown in the relationship between the two. (Can't comment which is valid myself, mind).

Anyhow, it all came to a head over his sale of the club to a US investment firm, ALK. This lot, controlled by Alan Pace (now also Burnley Chairman), effectively did a mini-Glazer job i.e. loading their purchase money onto the club itself as debt.

Which raises a question over Garlick: did he do due diligence over these new buyers, and if he did, did he know or even care what he found? Or did he just think: "I'm getting my £100m, so I'm not really bothered where it's coming from"? For if it's the latter, that's pretty poor from a self-proclaimed Clarets fan, and might cause issues if/when he ever decided to sell Cheltenham.

Honestly, who cares about his due diligence with ALK or what Burnley fans think. I'm just excited that soon after supporting this club for 45 years, we might for the first time have an owner who will have the funds so that we can get some decent players and not be looking for cheap or free players year after year. Yes Paul spent money when SC was here but this could be so much more now.

A sentiment shared by many fans of clubs with new owners instantly splash the cash on new players, get promoted and everything in the garden is rosy.
Then things start to go sour, owner who has loaded the club up with loads of debt, walks away and it dawns on fans that short term gain can lead to long term pain.
Not suggesting that will happen at Ctfc or that you would condone that Ralph.

[Fuller]

We all hope the deal with MG goes through smoothly and quickly, and I’m sure it will, but there’s no guarantee that it will happen.
Both Shrewsbury and Colchester very recently thought they’d done deals with new owners, only for both clubs to announce they’d fallen through at relatively late stages.
Mates I know who don’t really support the Robins but follow football ask me why would anyone want to invest in CTFC?
Answers on a postcard……

[Robin]

Not qualified to comment upon the above chicken first or egg first argument, but as regards Mr. Garlick, I've taken a look at a Burnley fans website and opinion on him is divided:
https://www.uptheclarets.com/messageboa ... it=Garlick

All agree that the first few years of his stewardship were excellent, even outstanding, managing to keep them in the Prem, on the tightest of budgets, whilst not going heavily into debt etc.

Then it started to go wrong around 2020. Some people put this down to Covid, affecting both BFC and Garlick's own company, meaning he had no choice but to squeeze the budget at Burnley very hard. Others reckon that that is just making excuses, so that he didn't permit Dyche to spend even moderate money (any?) on a much-needed squad rebuild, which in turn led to a severe breakdown in the relationship between the two. (Can't comment which is valid myself, mind).

Anyhow, it all came to a head over his sale of the club to a US investment firm, ALK. This lot, controlled by Alan Pace (now also Burnley Chairman), effectively did a mini-Glazer job i.e. loading their purchase money onto the club itself as debt.

Which raises a question over Garlick: did he do due diligence over these new buyers, and if he did, did he know or even care what he found? Or did he just think: "I'm getting my £100m, so I'm not really bothered where it's coming from"? For if it's the latter, that's pretty poor from a self-proclaimed Clarets fan, and might cause issues if/when he ever decided to sell Cheltenham.

Honestly, who cares about his due diligence with ALK or what Burnley fans think. I'm just excited that soon after supporting this club for 45 years, we might for the first time have an owner who will have the funds so that we can get some decent players and not be looking for cheap or free players year after year. Yes Paul spent money when SC was here but this could be so much more now.

A bit disrespectful to Simon Keswick who probably invested more in the football club than any other person. PB did a great job but didn't have the same level of funds. Agree on the overall sentiment though.

[Robin]

We all hope the deal with MG goes through smoothly and quickly, and I’m sure it will, but there’s no guarantee that it would.
Both Shrewsbury and Colchester very recently thought they’d done deals with new owners, only for both clubs to announce they’d fallen through at relatively late stages.
Mates I know who don’t really support the Robins but follow football ask me why would anyone want to invest in CTFC?
Answers on a postcard……

Both Shrerwsbury and Colchester owners are trying to get back money they have invested, that's not the case here.

Also the investment question is easy to answer we are debt free and have a relatively high growth potential.

[longmover]

Not qualified to comment upon the above chicken first or egg first argument, but as regards Mr. Garlick, I've taken a look at a Burnley fans website and opinion on him is divided:
https://www.uptheclarets.com/messageboa ... it=Garlick

All agree that the first few years of his stewardship were excellent, even outstanding, managing to keep them in the Prem, on the tightest of budgets, whilst not going heavily into debt etc.

Then it started to go wrong around 2020. Some people put this down to Covid, affecting both BFC and Garlick's own company, meaning he had no choice but to squeeze the budget at Burnley very hard. Others reckon that that is just making excuses, so that he didn't permit Dyche to spend even moderate money (any?) on a much-needed squad rebuild, which in turn led to a severe breakdown in the relationship between the two. (Can't comment which is valid myself, mind).

Anyhow, it all came to a head over his sale of the club to a US investment firm, ALK. This lot, controlled by Alan Pace (now also Burnley Chairman), effectively did a mini-Glazer job i.e. loading their purchase money onto the club itself as debt.

Which raises a question over Garlick: did he do due diligence over these new buyers, and if he did, did he know or even care what he found? Or did he just think: "I'm getting my £100m, so I'm not really bothered where it's coming from"? For if it's the latter, that's pretty poor from a self-proclaimed Clarets fan, and might cause issues if/when he ever decided to sell Cheltenham.

Honestly, who cares about his due diligence with ALK or what Burnley fans think. I'm just excited that soon after supporting this club for 45 years, we might for the first time have an owner who will have the funds so that we can get some decent players and not be looking for cheap or free players year after year. Yes Paul spent money when SC was here but this could be so much more now.

I really don't expect our playing budget to change to top ten in league two, Garlick comes across as an owner that knows the limits of the club and would much prefer the stadium, training ground and behind the scenes of the club to get most attention tbh.

[paperboy]

Want to support a club that punches above its weight and spends far more than it should on wages, plans a new stadium and hires high profile head coaches?

Well there's one not too far from here that fits the bill nicely.

[Ihearye]

Want to support a club that punches above its weight and spends far more than it should on wages, plans a new stadium and hires high profile head coaches?

Well there's one not too far from here that fits the bill nicely.

Having read through this thread, there is nobody here asking for any of those. So as this appears to be fgr related, maybe other footie ?