Michael Flynn after Cardiff defeat

[Jon Palmer]

Interview here:

https://www.gloucestershirelive.co.uk/s ... y-10454725

[Shade]

Quite a few interesting things in there, but the bit about him hoping he'll get a call tomorrow from Mike Garlick informing him that Gary has got one or two of the names he wants over the line... Sounds a bit odd, doesn't it?

[Jim]

Pretty brutal stuff from just reading the transcript. Certainly not convinced by MF as a manager, but you have to sympathise with the situation he's in, he's on a hiding to nothing.

Sickening to hear him talk about how upset his son was on Saturday. Utterly shameful from those fans.

[kiaora84]

Quite a few interesting things in there, but the bit about him hoping he'll get a call tomorrow from Mike Garlick informing him that Gary has got one or two of the names he wants over the line... Sounds a bit odd, doesn't it?

Flynn said the other day he’s handed a list of names to GJ. So I assume that’s who he means. What is odd is that after a summer of doing absolutely nothing, GJ is still employed.

T

[Shade]

Quite a few interesting things in there, but the bit about him hoping he'll get a call tomorrow from Mike Garlick informing him that Gary has got one or two of the names he wants over the line... Sounds a bit odd, doesn't it?

Flynn said the other day he’s handed a list of names to GJ. So I assume that’s who he means. What is odd is that after a summer of doing absolutely nothing, GJ is still employed.

T

I just thought it odd that MF would be waiting for MG to tell him, rather than communicate with GJ himself.

[Robin]

There is a lot to unpack in that interview, you have Flynn making it clear that him and Gary Johnson are not getting on, you have him saying some players heads have been turned, him saying he knows what he's doing, him throwing other players under the bus, him saying he will be scapegoat, him asking for another month and then accepting if results don't improve he will be gone. It's probably one of the most eye opening interviews I've ever seen but it reeks of someone who knows his time is basically up but won't admit it but at the same time is getting it out that others have failed too because he's not going to take the full blame.

[ctfc-fan]

Where does it say they don’t get on?

He said the other day he’d given a list of names to GJ. It was then down to GJ to go and do the necessary with those players and strike the deals. He’s now waiting for that to be done.

Simples.

[TheTownClub]

Where does it say they don’t get on?

He said the other day he’d given a list of names to GJ. It was then down to GJ to go and do the necessary with those players and strike the deals. He’s now waiting for that to be done.

Simples.

Don't you think it's odd the owner is passing messages between them here? Surely the manager and DoF would be speaking directly after getting approval from the owner.

[Si Robin]

It's been clear he's not GJ's biggest fan since his interview after the Worcester game. He's made it clear he didn't want to lost Tom Bradbury and we have enough circumstantial evidence to confirm that it was GJ who saw to it Bradbury didn't sign a new deal. He's adamant Miller was never for sale, but we know he was touted around at the start of the summer by someone above him.

I'm not going to sit here and start defending Flynn, I think it's clear he's not necessarily been given the right tools for the job, but I also don't think he's used the tools he's got correctly.

The interview is very much an "If I'm going down, I'm taking all the others with me", and I'm all for it to be honest.

Some of the frustration makes so much sense as well - heads being turned (so clearly Archer), Cundy's scan being clear but for some reason he's adamant he's injured (makes me question if this is a Johnson signing).

But Flynn isn't completely innocent - giving Bennett that 45 mins against Gillingham to trigger his new deal. I'm not as anti-Bennett as most, but his injury record is shocking and we knew he'd be injured as soon as the season started.

It really does seem like dead man walking but it has to be made clear, getting rid of Flynn alone changes nothing. If Flynn goes, then they all have to go!

[Warwickshire Robin]

It's been clear he's not GJ's biggest fan since his interview after the Worcester game. He's made it clear he didn't want to lost Tom Bradbury and we have enough circumstantial evidence to confirm that it was GJ who saw to it Bradbury didn't sign a new deal. He's adamant Miller was never for sale, but we know he was touted around at the start of the summer by someone above him.

I'm not going to sit here and start defending Flynn, I think it's clear he's not necessarily been given the right tools for the job, but I also don't think he's used the tools he's got correctly.

The interview is very much an "If I'm going down, I'm taking all the others with me", and I'm all for it to be honest.

Some of the frustration makes so much sense as well - heads being turned (so clearly Archer), Cundy's scan being clear but for some reason he's adamant he's injured (makes me question if this is a Johnson signing).

But Flynn isn't completely innocent - giving Bennett that 45 mins against Gillingham to trigger his new deal. I'm not as anti-Bennett as most, but his injury record is shocking and we knew he'd be injured as soon as the season started.

It really does seem like dead man walking but it has to be made clear, getting rid of Flynn alone changes nothing. If Flynn goes, then they all have to go!

Agree with this totally Si. Whilst I would love to see MF get a go at it with his own choices of backroom I just think it has got to the point now where the trust between everyone is too far gone to repair and a clean split is the best for all parties.

[asl]

Agreed, Si. A well thought-out post, there.

[longmover]

It's been clear he's not GJ's biggest fan since his interview after the Worcester game. He's made it clear he didn't want to lost Tom Bradbury and we have enough circumstantial evidence to confirm that it was GJ who saw to it Bradbury didn't sign a new deal. He's adamant Miller was never for sale, but we know he was touted around at the start of the summer by someone above him.

I'm not going to sit here and start defending Flynn, I think it's clear he's not necessarily been given the right tools for the job, but I also don't think he's used the tools he's got correctly.

The interview is very much an "If I'm going down, I'm taking all the others with me", and I'm all for it to be honest.

Some of the frustration makes so much sense as well - heads being turned (so clearly Archer), Cundy's scan being clear but for some reason he's adamant he's injured (makes me question if this is a Johnson signing).

But Flynn isn't completely innocent - giving Bennett that 45 mins against Gillingham to trigger his new deal. I'm not as anti-Bennett as most, but his injury record is shocking and we knew he'd be injured as soon as the season started.

It really does seem like dead man walking but it has to be made clear, getting rid of Flynn alone changes nothing. If Flynn goes, then they all have to go!

We can't keep having all this transparency without any real action. It's clear something's gone on behind the scenes, but now we need to see tangible changes. We're almost a week away from our next home league match (and by then another potential league defeat) and yet everything could still be the same.

[Robin]

It's been clear he's not GJ's biggest fan since his interview after the Worcester game. He's made it clear he didn't want to lost Tom Bradbury and we have enough circumstantial evidence to confirm that it was GJ who saw to it Bradbury didn't sign a new deal. He's adamant Miller was never for sale, but we know he was touted around at the start of the summer by someone above him.

I'm not going to sit here and start defending Flynn, I think it's clear he's not necessarily been given the right tools for the job, but I also don't think he's used the tools he's got correctly.

The interview is very much an "If I'm going down, I'm taking all the others with me", and I'm all for it to be honest.

Some of the frustration makes so much sense as well - heads being turned (so clearly Archer), Cundy's scan being clear but for some reason he's adamant he's injured (makes me question if this is a Johnson signing).

But Flynn isn't completely innocent - giving Bennett that 45 mins against Gillingham to trigger his new deal. I'm not as anti-Bennett as most, but his injury record is shocking and we knew he'd be injured as soon as the season started.

It really does seem like dead man walking but it has to be made clear, getting rid of Flynn alone changes nothing. If Flynn goes, then they all have to go!

Perfectly summed up. Right now it feels like the board including the owner are hoping that this mess will quietly and miraculously sort itself out. It's great that we have money to add more players but that alone won't fix things, tough decisions are needed.

Without picking on anyone the fact there are still some who seem oblivious to how much damage the Director of Football has done is pretty damning. Flynn will be gone soon but it makes no difference if Johnson is not removed.

Regarding Flynn I come away from inteviews usually agreeing with what he says, the question is why are the team so poorly organised, why do we keep making the same mistakes, why are we stuck with so many injured players. All the reasons for that need to be addressed and decisively.

I will repeat what I said the other day, fire Johnson right now. Yes it's tricky with the transfer window closing I suspect that and the blinded backing of one of the current board at the only reasons he's still here. Invest in a proper Director of Football have them come in and assess everything on the football side, look at the coaching set up, look at the manager, look at new deals for our better players, begin a process of January transfer window so we have a core of players to build on summer rather than yet another massive rebuild. Do that with quality, it will be slow but it will get us to the right place.

[Ihearye]

It's been clear he's not GJ's biggest fan since his interview after the Worcester game. He's made it clear he didn't want to lost Tom Bradbury and we have enough circumstantial evidence to confirm that it was GJ who saw to it Bradbury didn't sign a new deal. He's adamant Miller was never for sale, but we know he was touted around at the start of the summer by someone above him.

I'm not going to sit here and start defending Flynn, I think it's clear he's not necessarily been given the right tools for the job, but I also don't think he's used the tools he's got correctly.

The interview is very much an "If I'm going down, I'm taking all the others with me", and I'm all for it to be honest.

Some of the frustration makes so much sense as well - heads being turned (so clearly Archer), Cundy's scan being clear but for some reason he's adamant he's injured (makes me question if this is a Johnson signing).

But Flynn isn't completely innocent - giving Bennett that 45 mins against Gillingham to trigger his new deal. I'm not as anti-Bennett as most, but his injury record is shocking and we knew he'd be injured as soon as the season started.

It really does seem like dead man walking but it has to be made clear, getting rid of Flynn alone changes nothing. If Flynn goes, then they all have to go!

Have to say, I am beginning to wonder if that awful injury "Hamza Igamane syndrome", is spreading

[Shade]

JP exposé opinion piece forcing MG's hand when?

[Jerry St Clair]

This is rapidly turning into the most critical period since 2015. Big, big decisions will be made in the coming days that will have big consequences.

The bottom line for me is that if we go down, we’re staying down for the forseeable, Garlick or not. The National League has changed beyond recognition since we won it a decade ago. I just cannot see a repeat of the miracle of 2016.

[TheTownClub]

Mike and Alison need to clean house pretty quickly.

1. Top of the list is Bloxham who's been nothing but clueless in his time as chairman, and largely responsible for the organisational mess. Thanks Dave, here's your season ticket, now off you go.

2. Next, brothers Johnson. Their poison should never have been allowed back into the club (see 1 for that).

3. Downes. Nice guy and all that. Seems decent enough. But in his time here we have been unable to keep a clean sheet and defend a set piece. Something is going wrong somewhere in the communication and, you know he's not going to get poached by any other club, which tells you everything.

4. Flynn. A bit of a victim for sure, but he took the job. The team organization and substitution failures, as others frequently note, are on him and nobody else. So he didn't get his first choice backroom. Adapt! Mike Duff was able to come in without his own staff. Agree with most of his post-match analyses, but, ok, you've identified the problems now where's the evidence you can fix or prevent them?

5. Financial director. Hopefully that will become a full-time position.

[WhaddonIrregular]

Unless someone is lined up to take over immediately, I'd rather see Flynn stay in post.
I do not want to see an article about his sacking ending with the words "Gary Johnson and Aaron Downes will take temporary charge while a new manager is appointed"

[longmover]

JP exposé opinion piece forcing MG's hand when?

Doubt MG would be pressured into anything by JP, MG probably influencing JP.

[TheTownClub]

JP exposé opinion piece forcing MG's hand when?

Doubt MG would be pressured into anything by JP, MG probably influencing JP.

JP has held this assessment for a lot longer than the last couple of games.

[HamTown]

On Duff not having his staff correct me if I'm wrong but didn't he have Russ Milton who he knew so there was an existing relationship there and stablising influence and Wade Elliot came not long after who'd played in the premiership so had similarly high standards like Duff?

[Robin]

Unless someone is lined up to take over immediately, I'd rather see Flynn stay in post.
I do not want to see an article about his sacking ending with the words "Gary Johnson and Aaron Downes will take temporary charge while a new manager is appointed"

That's the stuff of nightmares. That is why I think we should act immediately and bring in a new Director of Football who Mike Garlick trusts and can evaluate the state of all footballing aspects of the club. Get it done this week no delaying and build a plan including potential new manager lists and improving the recruitment and physio departments. Now is the time to act.

[Shade]

JP exposé opinion piece forcing MG's hand when?

Doubt MG would be pressured into anything by JP, MG probably influencing JP.

I meant if JP were to publicise anything damning against GJ, the fans would basically demand it, essentially forcing MG's hand.

However, I don't believe MG will sack and replace him until after the window is closed. It's too close for someone else to come in, take over and get deals over the line now.